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coming up later on the show we'll have

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Leslie cane with a fascinating new book

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it's been a while since she's been here

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the last time she was on the power cast

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she didn't say she was writing a book

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it's not just the book that she wrote

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it's one that she wrote with a number of

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co-authors and/or contributors including

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an introduction by John Podesta who's

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very big muckety-muck in the Clinton

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administration's and the Obama

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administration so we look forward to

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what's going to happen there but when

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you think of a book that contains

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reports official reports or documents

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about UFOs my mind goes back in time to

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the 1950s when I first read a UFO book I

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was very very young in the 1950s

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understand this I'm not as old as I look

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or as I feel but I did I did read a book

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called flying saucers from outer space

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by major Donald Kehoe replete with

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reports from military people police

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officers scientists supposedly trained

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observers seeing something strange in

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the sky displaying all sorts of

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incredible maneuverability and Kehoe

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believed then and I think believed till

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the end of his life that there would be

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disclosure that we would have ultimately

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have the government tell us yeah et is

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here and we got to have to deal with it

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now Chris when you first got involved in

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studying the paranormal did you think

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there would be some kind of eminent

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disclosure some kind of indication well

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I think I am I'm kind of uh when I

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started out I was I was of two minds I I

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think I emotionally was attached to that

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outcome but I think very very quickly I

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realized that that it was a pipe dream

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and as the years have gone by now I've

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been involved fairly actively in this

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field for twenty years now every year

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that goes by get less and less doubtful

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that disclosure even if they wanted to

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disclose what they know about UFOs in

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terms of a government of official

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government disclosure that it's it's

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absolutely it's inconceivable to me that

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something like that will ever happen

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first of all I don't feel based on my

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research at the government it fully

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knows enough to really disclose

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something and number two even if they

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did they've been lying for sixty years

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how could we believe them that's the

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other point too we are taught nowadays

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not to believe the government the

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government is lying we learned that on

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24/7 cable TV so if the Liberals are in

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charge the Conservatives say they're

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lying if the Conservatives in charge

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charge the Liberals say they're lying or

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everybody's lying so yeah if the

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government says there are no UFOs we

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shouldn't believe them if they say there

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are we shouldn't believe in because we

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don't believe government why the

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disconnect well that's that's the

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sixty-four million dollar question at

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this point in time I think one of the

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effectively is number one

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compartmentalize the information and

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sensitive of high technology information

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is in the hands of the private sector

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and you can't do an FOI a request

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it will find out Leslie is a master at

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the Freedom of Information Act request

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arm you can't do an FOI a to a private

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corporation so as hard as a scam here

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that you send stuff out to private

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industry I mean that even goes back to

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Philip Corso in that controversial book

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the day after Roswell that he wrote with

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bill burns he said then that they were

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funneling alien technology into private

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industry so therefore it disappears it

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becomes proprietary to a company's

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technology exactly so that's that's I

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think that's a major major stumbling

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block for any sort of disclosure process

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I think we're our best chance for this

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disclosure of information comes from the

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public sector and I think that we need

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to do more well-funded hard data

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monitoring research and investigation of

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these events to for the public to be

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able to determine for itself

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you know what these objects are number

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one and potentially at some point where

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they are emanating from I again going

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through Leslie's book I see the

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extra-terrestrial hypothesis is a

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foregone conclusion throughout the whole

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book and we're going to we're going to

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talk I'm going to talk with her about

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that I don't see any suggestion of any

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official thinking out of the box in

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terms of what these objects are and who

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could be piloting them it gets to be

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kind of complicated here and I'm

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definitely going to want to talk to her

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further also about what she thinks about

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this this is not going to be an ambush

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ladies and gentlemen we don't do

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ambushes we're here to get information

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yeah sometimes we get some pretty crazy

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people and they will be treated

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appropriately but this takes us back to

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some of the as they say the wrong

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impression is about the power cast over

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the years we've done close to 250

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episodes over four and a half years and

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about a dozen episodes we've had people

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on the show who we had to kind of jump

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on because they were being deceptive

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they were being out-and-out crazies and

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responses ninety-five

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respectful to everybody but those 12

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you know it's like you know it doesn't

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matter that you're good ninety nine and

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a half percent of the time but if you

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are a little bit you know a little bit

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obnoxious point five percent of the time

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you live it down forever you know I was

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gonna say what do you mean us Kemosabe

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that's true actually we can go into that

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too it was me and somebody else but then

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you know you'll get your turn I'm sure I

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you've only been with us a few months

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wait till you've been here a while and

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we get a few crazy people you'll see how

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to treat it but you know that takes us

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of course back to the problem with

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disclosure I'm in favor of disclosure

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about UFOs if the government knows

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something sure we want to know what's

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happening I understand there could be an

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impact to society but I worry about some

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of these people who are involved in EXO

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politics and they not only expect

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disclosure they want us to know what

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will be disclosed at least according to

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what they believe yeah well that's you

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know going into any sort of scenario

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like this with preconceptions is is a

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minefield and I think again that the

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real answers aren't being held I think

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by government I think we're dealing with

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the military-industrial complex I think

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is is the holder of the most closely

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guarded secrets and again this is

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another good question ask us Leslie yeah

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I'm definitely the military-industrial

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complex remember President Eisenhower

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warned us about them he gave out that

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warning when he was leaving his second

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term and remember he was part of the

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military general so certainly he knew

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what was going on he knew the dangers he

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foretold something and when we get into

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more politically oriented discussions

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maybe we'll consider that as it relates

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to our fields of study well it's going

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to be a very very interesting show today

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I really enjoying Leslie's book this is

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best books I've ever read on the UFO

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subject and I can see why it's one of

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the few UFO books in recent years it's

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actually a hardcover so I think this is

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she did a very good job she's a

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top-notch investigative researcher and

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and there's some some pretty pretty

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impressive co-authors to this work well

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that's one of the things that we're

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generals pilots and government officials

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go on the record it's a very long title

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so we'll just call it UFOs the author is

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Leslie Cain she's an investigative

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reporter and also co-founder of the

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she's done a lot to try to get the

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the criteria of trying to get the

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highest level officials I could get some

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of it depended on the accessibility the

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person if I knew them or not you know in

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terms of how I selected people to

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include in the book I mean I definitely

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wanted to get people that you know we

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had highest highest level credentials

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possible if they were in the military of

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course I wanted to get a general

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whenever I could

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and that was factored in along with the

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kind of work that I knew that they had

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done whether I had a relationship with

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them or not so that they would be

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willing to work with me you know how

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accessible they were whether they spoke

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English a low number the writers didn't

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speak English but there were a lot of

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factors that went into play but I

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certainly was you know wanted to get the

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most credible people and I wanted to

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have a combination of both people who

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were investigators for government's

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official investigators and people who

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were actual witnesses aviation witnesses

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so I wanted to also have witnesses with

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very exciting stories that would be

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capable of telling them two stories in

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an articulate and clear way and stories

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and also cases that were well documented

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so there are a lot of factors that went

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into making the selections but most of

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the people that I wanted to get weren't

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able to do it so it worked out you

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didn't get too many no answers for this

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then no the only birds one general in

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Russia that I was I didn't know him and

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I was working with another contact and

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he kept saying he wanted to participate

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but he would never send anything and he

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kept saying okay you'll have it in two

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weeks and then nothing would come and

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then she added had to give up on him I

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think um no I think you're right that

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was the only one in that I was sort of

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holding out for that didn't work out

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that's funny too because I used to deal

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with contributors of that nature where

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they promised me that they were going to

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do stuff for a book and as a matter fact

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one time and this is just a quick aside

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here I literally had to write ten extra

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chapters for a computer book because the

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guy I recommended never produced

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anything

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Joey's gave me excuses but sometimes you

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know people you know it's writer's block

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people have difficulty your introduction

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though I didn't have any of that the way

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these people everyone I worked with a

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book was fantastic and they worked

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really hard on their pieces and then

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makes you look very different from the

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others where it's just somebody telling

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somebody's story here you have their

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stories now your introduction comes from

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John Podesta who as we know was

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prominent in the Clinton administration

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and also very close with President Obama

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now how

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did he get involved with your work well

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john podesta has been supporting the

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south of the freedom of information act

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initiative that I launched back in 2002

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or in 2003 with the support of the

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sci-fi channel and this was the

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Kecksburg initiative which I'm sure your

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listeners are probably familiar with

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that where we were with a major Freedom

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of Information Act effort to obtain

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documents on the Kecksburg case and we

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had a team of professional people and

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they were a where all our collective

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effort were able to bring John Podesta

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into that as a supporter because he's a

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strong believer in people's right to

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information and he's also interested in

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UFOs so I got to know him over the years

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working on that and then you know we

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were successful with the lawsuit and he

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was very interested in how the whole

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thing progressed and so he kind of got

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familiar with my work over all those

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years and that was why I felt

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comfortable approaching him you know to

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write this forward which I'm extremely

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pleased that he agreed to do now has he

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been able to influence the people in

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high places he knows to look into the

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situation more seriously uh you know I

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don't really know I quite honestly doubt

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that he's spent a lot of time trying to

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do that because he's in so incredibly

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busy and he's actually a you know writes

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policy for the Obama administration he's

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a major player now and I'm hoping that

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once the book comes out and we sort of

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have a tool that might be able to be

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used by him and others to do that but of

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course I can't say what he might have

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done privately but it certainly hasn't

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been any kind of major mission that he's

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been on his foot his the real

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interesting you know the reason he got

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involved just as much about Freedom of

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Information Act issues as it was the UFO

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subject now one of the things that came

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to light don't know if you read the

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story but some more documents come from

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the Ministry of Defense in the UK and

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one in fact this came off Fox News which

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is an unusual source for UFO information

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Churchill ordered UFO cover-up documents

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suggest have you seen this yeah I mean I

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read the stories on the internet that

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I'm sure you and everyone else is read

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very quickly actually

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but yeah so is this really a significant

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development I'm hearing this on the

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cable news station

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now presenting this is a very very

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serious story so that kind of shows us

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that all the people who are writing

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about UFOs so seriously in the 50s

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especially major Donald Kehoe and Edward

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rappelled you know they had right on

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yeah I mean I and again I I wish I had

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paid more attention to it but didn't

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wasn't it just a relative of somebody

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who says that his relative made this

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claim but they don't really have actual

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documentation of it about Churchill is

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that true

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I'm sorry I should have read the thing

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more you know what we have to look at

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the story and according to the documents

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details of the cover-up emerged when the

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man wrote to the government in 1999

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seeking to find out more about the

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incident he described how his

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grandfather who had served with the

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Royal Air Force RAF from the war was

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present when Churchill and US General

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Dwight Eisenhower discussed how to deal

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with the UFO encounter so comes from

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somebody's grandson yeah and you know so

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it's an interesting story but I think

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without a little more documentation than

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that it's not going to go very far and

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quite honestly I mean I don't think as

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I've written about it in the book I

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don't think that releasing more

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documents endlessly you know year after

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year after year I think it's a great

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thing that all the government's release

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their documents but I don't think it's

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going to really solve the mystery and

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solved the problem that we have in our

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hands to just get more information I'm

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sure that the really important documents

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are really sensitive you know national

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security documents are not being

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released so I don't put a lot of stock

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in just more documents coming out is

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really getting us anywhere quite

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honestly Leslie do you see in the

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documents that you do succeed in

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retrieving through Freedom of

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Information Act or the ones made public

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overseas they show a lot of stuff being

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redacted blacked out yeah I mean I don't

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think these mo D documents are that bad

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as the ones that I've looked up again I

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have this I haven't really looked at a

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lot a lot of them but I mean generally

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they redact anything that's materials

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and methods that would endanger them you

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know that would mentioned the name of

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somebody that kind of thing

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I mean they redact them the name of the

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agent or the witness or sensitive

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information about how their equipment

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works and stuff I you know I have I

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looked at some of these mo D things but

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I don't recall seeing that being a major

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problem but I might be wrong on that

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it's not something I spend a lot of time

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doing I've read articles about the

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documents and I know I'm in constant

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communication with Nick Pope and so I

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sort of get the gist of what the most

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important ones are when they come out

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but I don't spend a lot of time calling

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and looking at them you know for hours

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once again we want you to interact tell

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us what you think about the show and

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face to face business meetings with

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clients and colleagues are always going

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to be important but business travel is a

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hassle that's often a complete waste of

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money well here's a solution for you do

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things that really impresses me about or

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how you approach the book is the quality

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of the contributors to the book and your

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exhaustive effort to go as high as you

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possibly could describe but a little bit

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in a little bit more detail how you were

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able to convince some of these military

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guys

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for instance in in South America and in

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in England and other other countries

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outside the US how how are you able to

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convince them to come forward and to

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contribute such insightful information

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that's in the book yeah well of course

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it's different in every case but if you

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wanted to focus on the South American

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individual for instance the to from

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Chile that are in the book general

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Bermudez who's actually the head of the

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government agency in Chile that

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investigates UFOs every person that

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worked with me on this book is a

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different story for each person but the

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people in for instance the South America

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general Bermudez who heads up the

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government agency they're investigating

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UFOs this se FAA and captain Bravo also

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from Chile were captain Bravo was

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somebody who I knew because he attended

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our 2007 press conference in Washington

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DC that James Fox and I put together and

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he was very happy to do it and general

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Bermudez I had corresponded with him

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over the years and during my time as a

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journalist I've been covering the

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subject for 10 years so I think you know

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most of the people in this book I'd had

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some kind of relationship with and they

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respect the work that I do they

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understand that I'm approaching this you

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know as a journalist and they like the

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way I approach it and they know that I'm

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credible and trustworthy I guess and so

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it really wasn't that difficult one of

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the ones I didn't know was general

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Ferreira from Brazil general Pereira

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from Brazil is one of the few

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contributors who I actually haven't met

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or hadn't course bonded with actually I

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have no relationship with him before

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this book and he took quite a lot of

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work because I had to go through other

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contacts that knew him he doesn't speak

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any English so you know I had a number

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of translators that worked with me in

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the communication to actually all the

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emails had to be translated back and

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forth we had to make phone calls and I

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explained to him my work and I guess you

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know I had it I just had enough yeah he

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had enough respect for what I do that he

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was willing to do it and it just it just

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took a great deal of communication to

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interest these people the ones that I

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didn't know but as I said most of them

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have had some kind of communications

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with over the years many of them I've

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actually met so it wasn't that difficult

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to get them to agree to do this now one

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thing that I've noticed in the book is

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is the reliance on pilot testimony and

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going into some of the the more

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interesting and I think telling

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encounters that pilots whether in the

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military or in Co Civil Aviation have

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had with these objects now what it was

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you're thinking going in on man

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according to the book here you say the

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pilots probably our best we know

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classification of witness because I mean

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their life and in the lives of their

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passengers obviously you know depend on

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their ability to determine what it is

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that's around them in their airspace so

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why don't you give us your thinking on

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what led you to that decision and what

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your conclusions were talking to quite a

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number of pilots that have had amazing

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encounters okay well I mean yet you're

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right that one of the reasons to

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approach pilots is because they're so

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highly trained to recognize things on

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the sky and the other important point as

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to why they're important is because of

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the issue issue of aviation safety which

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is a theme throughout the book I have a

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piece by Richard Haines in here who's an

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expert on that I know you've had them on

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the show before and you know the

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aviation safety factor is a really

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important factor that air these UFOs

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actually affect aircraft

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and can affect safety of aircraft so for

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those two reasons I thought that the

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pilots were important and I have cases

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in here and again they're written by the

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actual person which makes them so

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fascinating because you're hearing the

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person tell what happened to them in

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their own words and I tried to get them

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to express their emotions and their

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reactions and all these kinds of things

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that you would never normally hear from

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somebody and the stories are exciting

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and they're important because of the

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credibility of the pilots and in two

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cases the pilots described as you're

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both Air Force pilots actually

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00:32:26,279 --> 00:32:24,850
attempting to shoot down UFOs and the

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book explores the whole question of

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national security and when you know when

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is it appropriate to fire and not fire

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and what should we do to prepare people

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but they do have an incredible amount of

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credibility to pilots and so yeah I

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don't know what else I can say both Air

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Force pilots and civil aviation pilots

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are represented here one of them is also

782
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captain Bowyer from the UK captain ray

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Bowyer his case only occurred a couple

784
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of years ago in 2007 which makes it

785
00:33:01,289 --> 00:32:59,110
really interesting as well because it's

786
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a recent and the cases also have a lot

787
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of data to back them up which are

788
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presented by the writers as well as

789
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their own personal reactions and

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accounts so it's an important part of

791
00:33:14,370 --> 00:33:12,760
the book another aspect of the pilot

792
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sightings that I found fascinating was

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the official airline and in some sense

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military response to the events

795
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themselves that doesn't seem to be a

796
00:33:30,299 --> 00:33:27,450
willingness by some agencies to pursue

797
00:33:33,500 --> 00:33:30,309
these the ramifications of some of these

798
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sightings and in cases to pursue them

799
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further than just kind of ignoring them

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in some sense of the word hoping that it

801
00:33:43,529 --> 00:33:41,620
doesn't happen again or that they'll go

802
00:33:45,210 --> 00:33:43,539
away it seems to me it's only when the

803
00:33:47,850 --> 00:33:45,220
press really gets involved that these

804
00:33:49,980 --> 00:33:47,860
agencies are forced to really officially

805
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:49,990
respond and generally it's an on

806
00:33:54,930 --> 00:33:52,090
response so what are your feelings now

807
00:33:56,970 --> 00:33:54,940
looking at some of the more celebrated

808
00:33:58,880 --> 00:33:56,980
aviation cases what are your feelings

809
00:34:01,070 --> 00:33:58,890
about the actual official response

810
00:34:04,250 --> 00:34:01,080
these cases by by government and

811
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military well it's a really really good

812
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point imagine and it's one of the

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reasons I even wrote this book was to

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make the point that in the United States

815
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anyway the official response has been

816
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just about nothing as you pointed out

817
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and to contrast that with other

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countries other countries these the

819
00:34:21,950 --> 00:34:20,310
official aviation agencies do get

820
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involved and they do investigate and

821
00:34:26,690 --> 00:34:24,210
information is released but in the

822
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:26,700
United States as you just mentioned yeah

823
00:34:31,340 --> 00:34:29,850
in in 1986 with the Alaska case I think

824
00:34:34,700 --> 00:34:31,350
a lot of people are familiar with the

825
00:34:37,010 --> 00:34:34,710
Jil Japan airline case over Alaska the

826
00:34:39,230 --> 00:34:37,020
only reason the FAA investigated that

827
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:39,240
case was because they were pressured by

828
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public demand by public interest in the

829
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case to do something otherwise they

830
00:34:47,659 --> 00:34:45,899
probably wouldn't have you know that

831
00:34:49,610 --> 00:34:47,669
played a big role and then you move

832
00:34:51,649 --> 00:34:49,620
forward to the Chicago O'Hare case

833
00:34:54,380 --> 00:34:51,659
though even though there was public

834
00:34:57,290 --> 00:34:54,390
interest in that case the FAA did

835
00:34:59,600 --> 00:34:57,300
nothing u.s. committed nothing and

836
00:35:00,920 --> 00:34:59,610
you're right it's essentially ignoring

837
00:35:03,050 --> 00:35:00,930
and just pretending that nothing's

838
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:03,060
happening and sort of letting the media

839
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:05,010
play with you know media will play with

840
00:35:09,740 --> 00:35:06,480
it for a couple of days and then it goes

841
00:35:11,710 --> 00:35:09,750
away and the witnesses are left with

842
00:35:13,850 --> 00:35:11,720
nothing they're left with no support no

843
00:35:15,860 --> 00:35:13,860
explanations they're often really

844
00:35:17,390 --> 00:35:15,870
nervous about you know if their jobs

845
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:17,400
being affected they don't dare talked

846
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:20,400
about it and it's a very bizarre

847
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:22,530
situation and it needs to change and one

848
00:35:26,810 --> 00:35:24,000
of the reasons I wrote this book was to

849
00:35:30,020 --> 00:35:26,820
propose some ideas for how we might be

850
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:30,030
able to change this problem and to look

851
00:35:33,500 --> 00:35:31,680
into some of the reasons as to why this

852
00:35:35,870 --> 00:35:33,510
problem exists in the first place and to

853
00:35:37,970 --> 00:35:35,880
show how different it is here from other

854
00:35:39,950 --> 00:35:37,980
country yeah one of the things I was

855
00:35:43,820 --> 00:35:39,960
bringing up before we brought John the

856
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:43,830
show is going back to the 1950s we had

857
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:46,170
lupins trying to get the US government

858
00:35:49,970 --> 00:35:48,240
to bring out more information about UFOs

859
00:35:51,590 --> 00:35:49,980
and one of the key examples of that of

860
00:35:54,350 --> 00:35:51,600
course was the late major Donald Kehoe

861
00:35:56,270 --> 00:35:54,360
in fact one of the big missions of the

862
00:35:58,430 --> 00:35:56,280
organization he ultimately took over

863
00:36:02,480 --> 00:35:58,440
nightcap and had been started by someone

864
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:02,490
else named T Townsend Brown was to cause

865
00:36:06,410 --> 00:36:04,050
disclosure he felt you have

866
00:36:08,490 --> 00:36:06,420
congressional hearings and understand I

867
00:36:09,990 --> 00:36:08,500
think that major Donald Keogh had what

868
00:36:12,780 --> 00:36:10,000
would consider today to be rather a

869
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:12,790
naive viewpoint of Congress and their

870
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:15,520
supposed honesty and freedom from

871
00:36:19,470 --> 00:36:17,650
political considerations you will

872
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:19,480
therefore have disclosure because the

873
00:36:24,420 --> 00:36:22,480
military will be forced to admit what's

874
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:24,430
going on if Congress says do it of

875
00:36:28,590 --> 00:36:26,890
course with end in the 1960s had the

876
00:36:30,750 --> 00:36:28,600
Condon report and of course that didn't

877
00:36:32,850 --> 00:36:30,760
help I'm going to ask you your response

878
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:32,860
to that as soon as we return we have

879
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:34,930
Leslie King she's author of a book

880
00:36:38,940 --> 00:36:37,210
called UFOs generals pilots and

881
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:38,950
government officials go on the record

882
00:36:42,750 --> 00:36:40,930
and what that means is she is in quoting

883
00:36:44,340 --> 00:36:42,760
them necessarily they're writing their

884
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:44,350
own piece they're writing their own

885
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:46,480
segments for the book and we're going to

886
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go into that more detail in our next

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00:36:54,420 --> 00:36:50,620
section my co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm

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gene Steinberg you're in the para Cass

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opportunities to stretch out and talk we

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have Leslie Cain joining us this week on

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the power cast she's offering a book

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which I'll call briefly UFOs with a very

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long subtitle a lot of very important

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people going on the record about this so

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we go back to the effort from a person

1007
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:42,540
like major dollar Kehoe to get this

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information revealed why do you think it

1009
00:41:51,110 --> 00:41:49,410
didn't succeed was it because the Condon

1010
00:41:53,060 --> 00:41:51,120
report was the best we can do in the 50s

1011
00:41:55,010 --> 00:41:53,070
and 60s yeah I mean of course he

1012
00:41:56,750 --> 00:41:55,020
certainly did succeed in some ways I

1013
00:41:59,900 --> 00:41:56,760
mean a lot of information was presented

1014
00:42:01,220 --> 00:41:59,910
by nycap in a lot of case research that

1015
00:42:02,690 --> 00:42:01,230
was excellent was presented but you're

1016
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:02,700
talking about why we didn't get some

1017
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:05,040
major change in terms of the government

1018
00:42:09,830 --> 00:42:07,440
approach right and basically you know

1019
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:09,840
but as you pointed out when the Condon

1020
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:12,480
report came along and the Air Force

1021
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:15,210
closed down its investigation and cronic

1022
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:17,520
and he said you know there was no need

1023
00:42:22,430 --> 00:42:19,410
to study UFOs there's no scientific

1024
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:22,440
merit and studying them it did really

1025
00:42:28,100 --> 00:42:26,010
put a kibosh on any sort of you know

1026
00:42:29,330 --> 00:42:28,110
possibility of the government taking a

1027
00:42:31,970 --> 00:42:29,340
different position it was a really

1028
00:42:34,130 --> 00:42:31,980
drastic development for the for the

1029
00:42:36,110 --> 00:42:34,140
government for scientists who might have

1030
00:42:39,020 --> 00:42:36,120
possibly been interested I mean it set

1031
00:42:40,820 --> 00:42:39,030
everybody back and it there were

1032
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:40,830
certainly a lot going on before that

1033
00:42:44,270 --> 00:42:42,330
happened and as you mentioned

1034
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:44,280
congressional hearings you know all

1035
00:42:48,690 --> 00:42:46,330
kinds of serious media

1036
00:42:52,110 --> 00:42:48,700
lots of very high-level people involved

1037
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:52,120
with the issue but then the door was

1038
00:42:57,450 --> 00:42:54,970
shut and it's been pretty much shut for

1039
00:42:58,890 --> 00:42:57,460
decades and I want that door to be

1040
00:43:01,080 --> 00:42:58,900
reopened and that's what I'm hoping to

1041
00:43:03,930 --> 00:43:01,090
accomplish here what have you done so

1042
00:43:07,020 --> 00:43:03,940
far and our listeners may not know all

1043
00:43:09,630 --> 00:43:07,030
your background about this but what got

1044
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:09,640
you interested in trying to get some

1045
00:43:16,980 --> 00:43:12,610
kind of revelation or disclosure going

1046
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:16,990
what got you into this field well I was

1047
00:43:21,780 --> 00:43:18,960
actually I'm a journalist by profession

1048
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:21,790
and I was working at a public radio

1049
00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:24,850
station back in 1999 in California as a

1050
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:27,250
co-host and co-producer of a daily show

1051
00:43:30,990 --> 00:43:28,450
and I'd done a lot of freelance

1052
00:43:33,390 --> 00:43:31,000
publishing on many different topics as

1053
00:43:35,700 --> 00:43:33,400
an investigative reporter and I received

1054
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:35,710
a copy from a colleague in France a

1055
00:43:40,050 --> 00:43:38,050
commander report which was this

1056
00:43:44,070 --> 00:43:40,060
high-level study that was done in France

1057
00:43:46,620 --> 00:43:44,080
over a three-year period by retired

1058
00:43:48,750 --> 00:43:46,630
generals and admirals and heads of

1059
00:43:51,860 --> 00:43:48,760
science head of the science agency there

1060
00:43:53,910 --> 00:43:51,870
and lots of very very prestigious people

1061
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:53,920
primarily the military but also

1062
00:43:59,280 --> 00:43:56,530
scientists it was a group study and that

1063
00:44:01,680 --> 00:43:59,290
study was really what set me on this

1064
00:44:03,300 --> 00:44:01,690
course as a journalist and the bottom

1065
00:44:06,300 --> 00:44:03,310
line in that about that study was that

1066
00:44:08,730 --> 00:44:06,310
the writers stated that they felt after

1067
00:44:11,310 --> 00:44:08,740
studying the best official cases on

1068
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record and really looking into this only

1069
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:14,710
official cases by the way they came to

1070
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:16,560
conclusion at the extra-terrestrial

1071
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:18,730
hypothesis as they called it was the

1072
00:44:24,210 --> 00:44:21,130
best explanation for these phenomena I

1073
00:44:26,190 --> 00:44:24,220
hadn't been proven but they couldn't see

1074
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:26,200
they presented that as the best

1075
00:44:31,380 --> 00:44:28,690
explanation and as a journalist I really

1076
00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:31,390
recognized at the time my god this is a

1077
00:44:36,060 --> 00:44:33,280
major news story that the people of this

1078
00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:36,070
stature and calibre are making a

1079
00:44:41,220 --> 00:44:39,040
statement like that and that sort of you

1080
00:44:43,770 --> 00:44:41,230
know I wrote my first story about that

1081
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:43,780
report and I have been able to stop ever

1082
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:46,090
since that's how I got started in like

1083
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:49,930
the rest of us yeah although I think you

1084
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:51,850
know I never I never really identified

1085
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:53,680
myself as being part of the UFO

1086
00:44:58,610 --> 00:44:55,930
community per se it was really very much

1087
00:45:01,100 --> 00:44:58,620
as a journalist but yeah once you guess

1088
00:45:02,930 --> 00:45:01,110
it's very hard to back away from it I

1089
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:02,940
mean you really see that there's

1090
00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:06,090
something to this and you know you want

1091
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:07,440
to get to the bottom of it and you're

1092
00:45:12,380 --> 00:45:10,770
mystified by the way it's treated by the

1093
00:45:14,060 --> 00:45:12,390
media and by the culture and the way

1094
00:45:16,190 --> 00:45:14,070
it's ridiculed and all the things that

1095
00:45:18,250 --> 00:45:16,200
go along with it it's it's a hard thing

1096
00:45:22,190 --> 00:45:18,260
to put down I know for so many people

1097
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:22,200
that's the case so you brought up the

1098
00:45:26,330 --> 00:45:24,000
extra-terrestrial hypothesis and I want

1099
00:45:28,010 --> 00:45:26,340
to cut in your pardon me for a second

1100
00:45:29,810 --> 00:45:28,020
time one of the things that comes

1101
00:45:32,990 --> 00:45:29,820
through very very loud and clear in the

1102
00:45:34,940 --> 00:45:33,000
book is that the ETH or the

1103
00:45:36,860 --> 00:45:34,950
extra-terrestrial hypothesis is almost a

1104
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:36,870
foregone conclusion in the minds of many

1105
00:45:42,650 --> 00:45:38,450
of the people contributing to the book

1106
00:45:45,970 --> 00:45:42,660
nowhere do I see any sort of alternate

1107
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:45,980
explanation put forward as a potential

1108
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:50,370
avenue of research and investigation is

1109
00:45:55,820 --> 00:45:53,130
this consistent throughout your work now

1110
00:45:57,350 --> 00:45:55,830
that everyone thinks that we're dealing

1111
00:46:01,880 --> 00:45:57,360
with something that is truly an off

1112
00:46:04,700 --> 00:46:01,890
planet extraterrestrial presence and it

1113
00:46:06,530 --> 00:46:04,710
has anybody in your research come up

1114
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:06,540
with any sort of alternative theories I

1115
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:08,640
for instance I see Jacques ballets name

1116
00:46:13,490 --> 00:46:10,650
is only mentioned once in the book in

1117
00:46:14,930 --> 00:46:13,500
relation to the Grenada president

1118
00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:14,940
getting the UN to do the little

1119
00:46:22,070 --> 00:46:17,730
get-together back in the think it was

1120
00:46:24,620 --> 00:46:22,080
the 80s um what what can you add to that

1121
00:46:26,750 --> 00:46:24,630
in terms of alternative theories that

1122
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:26,760
may be out there well that's an

1123
00:46:30,410 --> 00:46:28,530
interesting point and again I'm you know

1124
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:30,420
that I was really focused on including

1125
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:32,400
people that were government officials

1126
00:46:35,810 --> 00:46:33,930
that's why you know somebody like jack

1127
00:46:37,100 --> 00:46:35,820
fillet who's brilliant and fascinating

1128
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:37,110
and everything he didn't really you know

1129
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:38,850
it wasn't really a book of scientists

1130
00:46:43,370 --> 00:46:41,040
maybe that'll be the next book but um

1131
00:46:46,190 --> 00:46:43,380
and he I think of him as more of a

1132
00:46:48,740 --> 00:46:46,200
scientist really a thinker about this

1133
00:46:51,260 --> 00:46:48,750
but um you're right I mean I think that

1134
00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:51,270
when these the bottom line is that most

1135
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:52,800
of the people who wrote for this book

1136
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:55,200
really are agnostic they really feel

1137
00:46:59,900 --> 00:46:57,090
that they don't know what the phenomenon

1138
00:47:02,570 --> 00:46:59,910
is you know they've all experienced it

1139
00:47:05,020 --> 00:47:02,580
at various levels of closeness whether

1140
00:47:07,970 --> 00:47:05,030
they're investigators or witnesses and

1141
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:07,980
like all of us they when you go through

1142
00:47:11,240 --> 00:47:09,570
the process of elimination you're not

1143
00:47:14,570 --> 00:47:11,250
left with a lot of

1144
00:47:16,310 --> 00:47:14,580
turnitin explanation so I think you know

1145
00:47:18,140 --> 00:47:16,320
some of them may have thought a lot more

1146
00:47:20,530 --> 00:47:18,150
than others about what they think it

1147
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:20,540
might be I think a lot of them are just

1148
00:47:25,790 --> 00:47:23,490
waiting for it to be figured out what

1149
00:47:28,310 --> 00:47:25,800
they are and when they're pressed on the

1150
00:47:30,020 --> 00:47:28,320
question they will say well the

1151
00:47:32,300 --> 00:47:30,030
extra-terrestrial hypothesis is

1152
00:47:34,700 --> 00:47:32,310
certainly a valid hypothesis you know

1153
00:47:37,340 --> 00:47:34,710
that could be that could be it but we

1154
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:37,350
don't really know yet so to the extent

1155
00:47:40,610 --> 00:47:38,640
that they may have explored other

1156
00:47:42,530 --> 00:47:40,620
options within their own minds you know

1157
00:47:43,940 --> 00:47:42,540
privately I really I really don't know

1158
00:47:46,700 --> 00:47:43,950
say the truth

1159
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:46,710
yeah can you say Leslie then that the

1160
00:47:51,590 --> 00:47:48,570
purpose of the book is not so much to

1161
00:47:54,140 --> 00:47:51,600
find out what the actual source is but

1162
00:47:57,050 --> 00:47:54,150
to suggest a very popular possibility

1163
00:48:00,020 --> 00:47:57,060
but mostly to explain that there's a

1164
00:48:01,340 --> 00:48:00,030
real phenomenon going on here exactly

1165
00:48:03,590 --> 00:48:01,350
right gene I mean the purpose of the

1166
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:03,600
book is to present the app the facts and

1167
00:48:08,060 --> 00:48:05,970
the data that we have through the most

1168
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:08,070
credible sources to make the point that

1169
00:48:12,740 --> 00:48:10,530
there is a very real phenomenon like you

1170
00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:12,750
just said it's physical it has certain

1171
00:48:17,210 --> 00:48:14,730
characteristics that repeat themselves

1172
00:48:19,130 --> 00:48:17,220
in various cases you know it can be

1173
00:48:22,460 --> 00:48:19,140
picked up on radar we've got photographs

1174
00:48:24,530 --> 00:48:22,470
it is absolutely real and people at high

1175
00:48:26,990 --> 00:48:24,540
levels around the world acknowledge that

1176
00:48:28,730 --> 00:48:27,000
and so what the purpose of the book is

1177
00:48:31,850 --> 00:48:28,740
it to make that point and then number

1178
00:48:33,860 --> 00:48:31,860
two to propose a way that we might

1179
00:48:35,420 --> 00:48:33,870
actually find out what they are but the

1180
00:48:38,210 --> 00:48:35,430
book is not claiming that we know what

1181
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:38,220
they are you know the theme is that and

1182
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:39,690
this is what you know what I learned

1183
00:48:43,550 --> 00:48:41,370
from talking to all these high-level

1184
00:48:45,530 --> 00:48:43,560
people we don't know what they are but

1185
00:48:47,780 --> 00:48:45,540
we really need to find out for a lot of

1186
00:48:51,590 --> 00:48:47,790
reasons so the book is a call to action

1187
00:48:53,390 --> 00:48:51,600
it's a call for the scientific community

1188
00:48:55,130 --> 00:48:53,400
to become unified around the world and

1189
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:55,140
make its conscious decision and become

1190
00:48:59,780 --> 00:48:57,690
proactive on finding out what the UFOs

1191
00:49:01,970 --> 00:48:59,790
are and we need to have a US government

1192
00:49:04,130 --> 00:49:01,980
involved in that process and so we deal

1193
00:49:06,020 --> 00:49:04,140
with that in the book but that's really

1194
00:49:07,370 --> 00:49:06,030
the purpose it's not about you know

1195
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:07,380
whether they're extra rest really or

1196
00:49:10,130 --> 00:49:09,090
whether they might be disavowed or let's

1197
00:49:11,900 --> 00:49:10,140
think about it because it's a

1198
00:49:14,210 --> 00:49:11,910
fascinating topic it's really about the

1199
00:49:16,910 --> 00:49:14,220
hard core facts and what we need to do

1200
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:16,920
to find out more okay a call to

1201
00:49:21,890 --> 00:49:20,010
investigate not a call to conclude right

1202
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:21,900
because with it we don't yet know enough

1203
00:49:26,610 --> 00:49:24,400
to conclude we don't have the definitive

1204
00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:26,620
proof that we need to convince the

1205
00:49:30,210 --> 00:49:28,480
scientists and the governments of the

1206
00:49:33,030 --> 00:49:30,220
world that we know what these things are

1207
00:49:35,460 --> 00:49:33,040
without a doubt there they are not about

1208
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:35,470
to accept that we know what these things

1209
00:49:39,660 --> 00:49:38,050
are even for those of us who may have

1210
00:49:41,370 --> 00:49:39,670
have looked at this for a long time

1211
00:49:42,690 --> 00:49:41,380
they've come to our own conclusions and

1212
00:49:44,550 --> 00:49:42,700
we might we might think certain things

1213
00:49:48,810 --> 00:49:44,560
are obvious but if you're trying to

1214
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:48,820
reach the status quo they need to they

1215
00:49:52,620 --> 00:49:50,890
need to they they do not accept that

1216
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:52,630
first of all Harper them they accept

1217
00:49:55,590 --> 00:49:54,400
these things exist which this book is

1218
00:49:57,300 --> 00:49:55,600
going to make imply it's going to make

1219
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:57,310
it impossible for them to say they don't

1220
00:50:00,390 --> 00:49:58,000
exist

1221
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:00,400
they're certainly not going to be ready

1222
00:50:04,830 --> 00:50:02,770
to have anybody tell them what these

1223
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:04,840
things are I mean they they will not

1224
00:50:09,540 --> 00:50:06,850
accept that at this stage of the game

1225
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:09,550
and so it's really not something that's

1226
00:50:12,660 --> 00:50:11,410
a useful thing to do is to go around and

1227
00:50:14,820 --> 00:50:12,670
tell officials that their

1228
00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:14,830
extraterrestrials visiting us they're

1229
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:16,960
not ready to accept that we have to take

1230
00:50:20,940 --> 00:50:18,970
it one step at a time and we're making

1231
00:50:23,100 --> 00:50:20,950
the system here that I believe is going

1232
00:50:25,260 --> 00:50:23,110
to open the door get it to the point

1233
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:25,270
where we can make the kind of discovery

1234
00:50:30,330 --> 00:50:27,850
that will then show everybody what we've

1235
00:50:32,490 --> 00:50:30,340
got here so if what we've got here isn't

1236
00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:32,500
ET or something even weirder

1237
00:50:36,570 --> 00:50:34,960
assuming ET is weird I guess it's not in

1238
00:50:38,100 --> 00:50:36,580
this day and age why should it be you

1239
00:50:40,110 --> 00:50:38,110
would have no problem with that

1240
00:50:42,330 --> 00:50:40,120
right I mean you know it seems like we

1241
00:50:44,220 --> 00:50:42,340
all think oh yeah the ET hypothesis is

1242
00:50:45,810 --> 00:50:44,230
the most reasonable and that's what the

1243
00:50:47,550 --> 00:50:45,820
commando group said they think it's the

1244
00:50:50,100 --> 00:50:47,560
most they looked at other possibilities

1245
00:50:52,290 --> 00:50:50,110
in their report and maybe it will be

1246
00:50:54,060 --> 00:50:52,300
something entirely different or maybe

1247
00:50:56,100 --> 00:50:54,070
it's a lot of different things you know

1248
00:50:58,140 --> 00:50:56,110
I just think we have to keep an open

1249
00:51:01,050 --> 00:50:58,150
mind and we have to invest more

1250
00:51:02,910 --> 00:51:01,060
resources and brilliant brilliant minds

1251
00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:02,920
of scientists around the world to find

1252
00:51:07,170 --> 00:51:05,440
out well yeah it could who knows what

1253
00:51:08,910 --> 00:51:07,180
it's going to turn out to be I mean we

1254
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:08,920
all think it's probably extraterrestrial

1255
00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:11,050
it's hard to imagine that it's what it

1256
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:14,250
might be but you're right maybe it's not

1257
00:51:18,180 --> 00:51:16,570
the reason I mentioned that of course is

1258
00:51:19,830 --> 00:51:18,190
because near the end of his life and I

1259
00:51:22,830 --> 00:51:19,840
had an interview with dr. J Allen Hynek

1260
00:51:24,810 --> 00:51:22,840
maybe three four years before he died it

1261
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:24,820
looked like he was moving into what some

1262
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:26,290
of us call like a 4d or a

1263
00:51:30,019 --> 00:51:28,690
multi-dimensional kind of aspect but we

1264
00:51:32,089 --> 00:51:30,029
won't get into that here

1265
00:51:35,059 --> 00:51:32,099
we have Leslie cane author of a new book

1266
00:51:37,669 --> 00:51:35,069
about UFOs which is co-authored by a

1267
00:51:39,649 --> 00:51:37,679
number of very prominent people generals

1268
00:51:41,539 --> 00:51:39,659
pilots government officials I'm Jean

1269
00:51:51,199 --> 00:51:41,549
Steinberg the co-host is Chris O'Brien

1270
00:51:53,269 --> 00:51:51,209
you're in the para cast hi this is Ted

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1290
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1291
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1292
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1293
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1294
00:52:40,609 --> 00:52:38,609
free silver dollar in a book that

1295
00:52:42,709 --> 00:52:40,619
explains our monetary system call for

1296
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00:53:05,130 --> 00:53:12,250
[Music]

1302
00:53:19,210 --> 00:53:15,650
we have Leslie cane offer of a new UFO

1303
00:53:21,830 --> 00:53:19,220
book featuring a number of experts

1304
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:21,840
contributing to the piece Chris O'Brien

1305
00:53:26,450 --> 00:53:24,090
is our co-host I'm gene steinberger in

1306
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:26,460
the power cast Chris watch pick up on

1307
00:53:32,210 --> 00:53:28,290
the questioning one of the things that

1308
00:53:36,110 --> 00:53:32,220
I've noticed in here is and and I find

1309
00:53:39,890 --> 00:53:36,120
this actually quite intriguing is the

1310
00:53:42,770 --> 00:53:39,900
very excellent eyewitness accounts and

1311
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:42,780
how each of these cases that you have

1312
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:46,530
pulled out and concentrated on are some

1313
00:53:51,620 --> 00:53:48,330
of the best cases I think that we have

1314
00:53:53,890 --> 00:53:51,630
on record what case did you find the

1315
00:53:56,330 --> 00:53:53,900
most intriguing in terms of the

1316
00:53:58,520 --> 00:53:56,340
demonstrated abilities of the craft to

1317
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:58,530
maneuver some of the highest range

1318
00:54:01,850 --> 00:54:00,240
elements that I think were found in some

1319
00:54:04,670 --> 00:54:01,860
of these cases which one struck you the

1320
00:54:07,130 --> 00:54:04,680
most as being the most incredible in

1321
00:54:10,130 --> 00:54:07,140
terms of that probably the cases of

1322
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:10,140
Parviz Jafari and Oscar Santa Maria the

1323
00:54:14,660 --> 00:54:11,850
two pilots who actually attempted to

1324
00:54:16,990 --> 00:54:14,670
shoot down the UFOs because they had

1325
00:54:19,940 --> 00:54:17,000
these extended kind of interactive

1326
00:54:21,620 --> 00:54:19,950
dogfights with the objects you know for

1327
00:54:24,410 --> 00:54:21,630
long a long period of time so they were

1328
00:54:26,540 --> 00:54:24,420
kind of engaged it was almost like I

1329
00:54:28,070 --> 00:54:26,550
almost had a level of communication in a

1330
00:54:31,250 --> 00:54:28,080
certain way I mean that's that's too

1331
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:31,260
much but they were engaged in you know

1332
00:54:34,670 --> 00:54:32,880
interacting with the objects for quite a

1333
00:54:36,530 --> 00:54:34,680
while and so we got to see a lot of the

1334
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:36,540
behaviors of the objects in those two

1335
00:54:41,540 --> 00:54:38,490
cases and also what's really fascinating

1336
00:54:44,510 --> 00:54:41,550
is the fact that in both cases the UFO

1337
00:54:48,410 --> 00:54:44,520
seemed to know when the pilot was about

1338
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:48,420
to shoot and they were able to maneuver

1339
00:54:53,150 --> 00:54:51,210
in two different differently in the two

1340
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:53,160
cases but then we're able to you know

1341
00:54:56,900 --> 00:54:54,720
save themselves if you want to put it

1342
00:54:59,870 --> 00:54:56,910
that way from being harmed or from being

1343
00:55:01,160 --> 00:54:59,880
shot at assuming that they they

1344
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:01,170
definitely showed some kind of

1345
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:02,690
intelligence let's put it that way

1346
00:55:08,140 --> 00:55:06,000
because it happened in consecutively two

1347
00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:08,150
or three four times in each case that

1348
00:55:14,210 --> 00:55:11,730
you know the UFO disabled the equipment

1349
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:14,220
in one case or moved just at the last

1350
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:18,090
moment very rapidly in another case and

1351
00:55:22,190 --> 00:55:20,130
that's so fascinating to me that these

1352
00:55:23,740 --> 00:55:22,200
these maneuvers happen exactly the

1353
00:55:26,380 --> 00:55:23,750
instant that the pilot was a

1354
00:55:29,950 --> 00:55:26,390
to fire as if there was some knowledge

1355
00:55:31,420 --> 00:55:29,960
on the part of the object about what did

1356
00:55:34,450 --> 00:55:31,430
the pilots think that this was some sort

1357
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:34,460
of technological ability or did they get

1358
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:35,810
a sense that there was something else

1359
00:55:40,300 --> 00:55:38,210
going on did this only happen in other

1360
00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:40,310
words when they were actually locked on

1361
00:55:45,310 --> 00:55:43,280
with targeting systems or was there some

1362
00:55:48,130 --> 00:55:45,320
sort of anticipation on the part of the

1363
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:48,140
phenomenon based on possibly the the

1364
00:55:52,750 --> 00:55:50,330
pilots thinking that he was going to do

1365
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:52,760
something and then the object seemed to

1366
00:55:56,100 --> 00:55:53,330
respond

1367
00:55:58,450 --> 00:55:56,110
was it a mechanical technological

1368
00:56:01,120 --> 00:55:58,460
response do you think or did they think

1369
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:01,130
or was it something else yeah I mean I

1370
00:56:04,660 --> 00:56:02,330
think it's really hard to say in both

1371
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:04,670
cases they were actually engaged with

1372
00:56:09,580 --> 00:56:07,490
their gear you know and in Jafar's case

1373
00:56:11,290 --> 00:56:09,590
he was about he had a heat-seeking

1374
00:56:13,390 --> 00:56:11,300
missile that he had program and he was

1375
00:56:17,230 --> 00:56:13,400
just about to press the button and then

1376
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:17,240
he lost all control of his equipment and

1377
00:56:23,740 --> 00:56:19,610
in the Peruvian case with after santa

1378
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:23,750
maria he was about to fire these these

1379
00:56:30,100 --> 00:56:28,370
large shells at the object and he every

1380
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:30,110
in every case I think the object was was

1381
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:31,610
harboring it was still and he was just

1382
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:33,890
aimed at it and at the very last minute

1383
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:36,530
the thing just shot up so I think it's

1384
00:56:41,250 --> 00:56:39,440
hard to know whether the phenomenon was

1385
00:56:44,050 --> 00:56:41,260
responding to some kind of technological

1386
00:56:46,180 --> 00:56:44,060
you know a signal that was getting from

1387
00:56:48,610 --> 00:56:46,190
the pilot or whether how it how it

1388
00:56:50,530 --> 00:56:48,620
actually clued in to what was going on I

1389
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:50,540
don't think they know really well of

1390
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:53,450
course Star Trek Leslie in Star Trek

1391
00:56:58,570 --> 00:56:55,370
they know when the weapons are going to

1392
00:57:00,490 --> 00:56:58,580
be fired so maybe et knows too well Who

1393
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:00,500
am I to say why don't I just think about

1394
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:04,250
that I mean in Oscar Santa Maria's case

1395
00:57:08,890 --> 00:57:07,130
he actually did fire successfully on the

1396
00:57:10,990 --> 00:57:08,900
object earlier on during this

1397
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:11,000
interaction they Hammond right and there

1398
00:57:15,460 --> 00:57:13,130
was no about it in fact he's the he

1399
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:15,470
believes that he is the only man in the

1400
00:57:20,110 --> 00:57:17,450
world is the only man that we know of

1401
00:57:24,310 --> 00:57:20,120
and maybe others that have actually

1402
00:57:25,780 --> 00:57:24,320
actually shot and hit a UFO and he

1403
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:25,790
describes that in his chapter in the

1404
00:57:31,270 --> 00:57:28,730
book it's just amazing thing to read and

1405
00:57:33,220 --> 00:57:31,280
the UFO was not affected but he could

1406
00:57:35,530 --> 00:57:33,230
see the shells they were actually kind

1407
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:35,540
of absorbed by the object absorbed by

1408
00:57:38,210 --> 00:57:36,450
the the

1409
00:57:40,550 --> 00:57:38,220
energy or the light that was around it

1410
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:40,560
and seemed to have actually no effect

1411
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:42,450
and these are these are huge and 35

1412
00:57:47,450 --> 00:57:43,650
millimeter shells that would normally

1413
00:57:49,490 --> 00:57:47,460
destroy anything that it hit so that was

1414
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:49,500
that's a pretty unusual story

1415
00:57:54,010 --> 00:57:51,570
yeah that's pretty nice I hit the thing

1416
00:57:56,540 --> 00:57:54,020
yeah then they start having these

1417
00:57:58,069 --> 00:57:56,550
chasing chasing each other around and he

1418
00:58:00,380 --> 00:57:58,079
tries to shoot at many other times and

1419
00:58:02,780 --> 00:58:00,390
he's not successful it was a look that

1420
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:02,790
was out there it was a book out in fact

1421
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:05,250
we had the author of it here on the

1422
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:07,530
power cast called shoot him down which

1423
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:09,570
covered instances I guess back to the

1424
00:58:17,660 --> 00:58:13,650
1950s where the US military was firing

1425
00:58:20,359 --> 00:58:17,670
at UFOs when they were seeing yeah I

1426
00:58:22,550 --> 00:58:20,369
definitely want to read that book I've

1427
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:22,560
got some documentation from NORAD in the

1428
00:58:29,870 --> 00:58:25,290
book about attempts to chase them shoot

1429
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:29,880
at them but you know these two cases in

1430
00:58:33,380 --> 00:58:31,770
particular are so important because we

1431
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:33,390
have so much detail about them and we've

1432
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:35,130
got the pilots actually telling their

1433
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:37,770
own stories from their perspective it's

1434
00:58:41,660 --> 00:58:39,450
really reads like science fiction when

1435
00:58:42,740 --> 00:58:41,670
you read it even though it isn't you

1436
00:58:45,950 --> 00:58:42,750
kind of think in the movie Independence

1437
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:45,960
Day where they kept trying to fire on et

1438
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:48,480
and they just bounce off because of

1439
00:58:54,109 --> 00:58:50,640
their shields which is almost back to

1440
00:58:57,589 --> 00:58:54,119
Star Trek alright yeah I don't know what

1441
00:58:59,720 --> 00:58:57,599
to say on that well as long as the UFOs

1442
00:59:01,940 --> 00:58:59,730
don't fire back on us you know that's a

1443
00:59:04,609 --> 00:59:01,950
good way to welcome et to our planet and

1444
00:59:06,620 --> 00:59:04,619
that's an important point too I mean and

1445
00:59:08,839 --> 00:59:06,630
we make them a number the officials in

1446
00:59:11,150 --> 00:59:08,849
this book make the point that and we

1447
00:59:13,819 --> 00:59:11,160
point out the fact that that has never

1448
00:59:15,559 --> 00:59:13,829
happened to our knowledge even though we

1449
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:15,569
have chased them and fired at them and

1450
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:19,170
acted aggressively and towards the

1451
00:59:24,260 --> 00:59:21,530
objects they have not retaliated and

1452
00:59:26,089 --> 00:59:24,270
there's also a general consensus among

1453
00:59:28,550 --> 00:59:26,099
the generals that I spoke to have been

1454
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:28,560
investigating this stuff that UFOs that

1455
00:59:32,569 --> 00:59:31,200
there's no hostility there that they're

1456
00:59:35,930 --> 00:59:32,579
not hostile and they have never

1457
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:35,940
demonstrated any hostility even though

1458
00:59:40,010 --> 00:59:38,640
we have but that can be dangerous and

1459
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:40,020
that's one of the national community

1460
00:59:44,660 --> 00:59:42,450
security questions that people have if

1461
00:59:46,430 --> 00:59:44,670
there's a national security danger it

1462
00:59:46,970 --> 00:59:46,440
has to do with our own pilots and our

1463
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:46,980
own

1464
00:59:50,599 --> 00:59:48,690
air force you know taking aggressive

1465
00:59:51,050 --> 00:59:50,609
action when it's not appropriate to do

1466
00:59:53,089 --> 00:59:51,060
so

1467
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:53,099
and that could get us in trouble have

1468
00:59:56,930 --> 00:59:55,650
you seen any evidence in the research

1469
00:59:59,030 --> 00:59:56,940
you've done in the material that these

1470
01:00:03,069 --> 00:59:59,040
people have presented to you that there

1471
01:00:07,099 --> 01:00:03,079
is some official approach of what to do

1472
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:07,109
with regard to UFOs near military craft

1473
01:00:11,420 --> 01:00:09,930
just leave them alone or what well one

1474
01:00:14,599 --> 01:00:11,430
that I think one of the problems is that

1475
01:00:17,210 --> 01:00:14,609
there is no policy at least in the

1476
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:17,220
United States there's nothing the trains

1477
01:00:22,069 --> 01:00:19,650
or prepares the pilots it's as if they

1478
01:00:23,930 --> 01:00:22,079
don't exist and that's another point

1479
01:00:25,550 --> 01:00:23,940
that Richard Haines makes in his chapter

1480
01:00:27,050 --> 01:00:25,560
in the book too is that not just not

1481
01:00:29,540 --> 01:00:27,060
only for Air Force pilots but for

1482
01:00:33,319 --> 01:00:29,550
commercial pilots there is nothing that

1483
01:00:35,260 --> 01:00:33,329
prepares them for the possibility of

1484
01:00:38,410 --> 01:00:35,270
encountering one of these things and

1485
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:38,420
they are encountered you know as

1486
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:41,490
frequently as wind shear or bird strikes

1487
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:42,930
are and they're prepared for those

1488
01:00:47,599 --> 01:00:46,050
things so it's it's a problem it's

1489
01:00:49,190 --> 01:00:47,609
they're not supposed to see them they're

1490
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:49,200
not supposed to exist and therefore

1491
01:00:53,510 --> 01:00:50,730
they're not going to be taught what to

1492
01:00:54,829 --> 01:00:53,520
do and that's that's dangerous that is a

1493
01:00:57,109 --> 01:00:54,839
dangerous situation

1494
01:00:58,370 --> 01:00:57,119
now did your studies at all or the

1495
01:01:01,130 --> 01:00:58,380
information you got from all these

1496
01:01:04,370 --> 01:01:01,140
people indicate any possible evidence

1497
01:01:06,740 --> 01:01:04,380
that our American military or civilian

1498
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:06,750
government has actually tried to contact

1499
01:01:12,500 --> 01:01:08,970
whatever is behind the UFOs

1500
01:01:14,420 --> 01:01:12,510
I never ran across anything suggesting

1501
01:01:16,190 --> 01:01:14,430
that doesn't mean it's not there but I

1502
01:01:18,020 --> 01:01:16,200
didn't run I ever run across anything

1503
01:01:20,359 --> 01:01:18,030
about our government trying to contact

1504
01:01:22,359 --> 01:01:20,369
them under there was something in Canada

1505
01:01:27,050 --> 01:01:22,369
right with Wilbert Smith

1506
01:01:28,910 --> 01:01:27,060
as I recall it you know Wilbur Smith who

1507
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:28,920
worked for the Canadian government maybe

1508
01:01:33,620 --> 01:01:31,410
in the fifties or sixties right he was a

1509
01:01:36,020 --> 01:01:33,630
friend of major-general Kehoe he was

1510
01:01:38,329 --> 01:01:36,030
mentioned in major Donald Kehoe a lot as

1511
01:01:41,089 --> 01:01:38,339
being very much a hero someone trying to

1512
01:01:42,980 --> 01:01:41,099
get the information to the public but

1513
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:42,990
the other guy I think he was trying to

1514
01:01:46,339 --> 01:01:44,730
do some contact thing that I really

1515
01:01:49,250 --> 01:01:46,349
haven't heard of anything involving the

1516
01:01:51,890 --> 01:01:49,260
US government doing that I'm going to

1517
01:01:55,130 --> 01:01:51,900
raise Stanford they were at mt 2 and 77

1518
01:01:57,109 --> 01:01:55,140
down a white sands he got something you

1519
01:01:59,190 --> 01:01:57,119
know it died I know I mean I certainly

1520
01:02:01,170 --> 01:01:59,200
lots of stuff I don't know so

1521
01:02:05,339 --> 01:02:01,180
that may be something I just don't know

1522
01:02:08,339 --> 01:02:05,349
about it wouldn't necessarily be

1523
01:02:10,140 --> 01:02:08,349
something Lesley that any of us would be

1524
01:02:13,170 --> 01:02:10,150
privy to that information certainly

1525
01:02:15,089 --> 01:02:13,180
would be way way above our rank and

1526
01:02:16,290 --> 01:02:15,099
above our pay grade and this is

1527
01:02:18,510 --> 01:02:16,300
something we'll have to get into it's

1528
01:02:20,670 --> 01:02:18,520
reinforced is sure as we continue with

1529
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:20,680
this discussion the book on the table

1530
01:02:24,420 --> 01:02:23,050
which is just hitting the streets about

1531
01:02:27,510 --> 01:02:24,430
the time most of you will be hearing

1532
01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:27,520
this episode is UFOs generals pilots and

1533
01:02:32,370 --> 01:02:28,960
government officials go on the record

1534
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:32,380
the author is Leslie Cain the

1535
01:02:37,620 --> 01:02:34,210
introduction the foreword written by

1536
01:02:47,290 --> 01:02:37,630
John Podesta I'm Jean Steinberg co-host

1537
01:02:51,999 --> 01:02:49,620
[Music]

1538
01:02:55,630 --> 01:02:52,009
you are about to enter another dimension

1539
01:02:56,919 --> 01:02:55,640
a dimension not only of sight and sound

1540
01:02:59,439 --> 01:02:56,929
but of mind

1541
01:03:02,380 --> 01:02:59,449
a journey into a sinister land of secret

1542
01:03:04,539 --> 01:03:02,390
rights passwords initiations and

1543
01:03:07,359 --> 01:03:04,549
handshakes where the truth remains

1544
01:03:11,439 --> 01:03:07,369
hidden and history is controlled by an

1545
01:03:12,969 --> 01:03:11,449
elite group of mysterious men imagine if

1546
01:03:15,370 --> 01:03:12,979
you will that I'm holding a book in my

1547
01:03:17,259 --> 01:03:15,380
hands that explains this secret history

1548
01:03:20,140 --> 01:03:17,269
and that the name of this book is

1549
01:03:23,380 --> 01:03:20,150
conspiracies and secret societies the

1550
01:03:26,829 --> 01:03:23,390
complete dossier here is described

1551
01:03:30,789 --> 01:03:26,839
centuries of dark dealing lies murder

1552
01:03:33,849 --> 01:03:30,799
mayhem and cover-ups in the pursuit of

1553
01:03:36,339 --> 01:03:33,859
unimaginable money and power my name is

1554
01:03:38,409 --> 01:03:36,349
Brad stager and the stories you are

1555
01:03:42,989 --> 01:03:38,419
about to read may have actually happened

1556
01:03:46,469 --> 01:03:42,999
at the signpost up ahead your next stop

1557
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conspiracies and secret societies the

1558
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complete dossier as many people know

1559
01:03:55,449 --> 01:03:53,599
ever since President Nixon took effect

1560
01:03:56,949 --> 01:03:55,459
the gold standard the US dollar has been

1561
01:03:58,479 --> 01:03:56,959
evaluating what people don't know

1562
01:04:00,640 --> 01:03:58,489
however is how this directly affects

1563
01:04:02,259 --> 01:04:00,650
your personal finances is there a way to

1564
01:04:04,299 --> 01:04:02,269
prevent your portfolios from losing

1565
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value the answer to all of this is gold

1566
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and silver they have both maintained

1567
01:04:11,309 --> 01:04:07,880
their purchasing power for 6,000 years

1568
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if you had had $100,000 in cash and

1569
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$100,000 in gold and silver back in 1913

1570
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and kept them both until now your cash

1571
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would actually have the buying power of

1572
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only four thousand eight hundred dollars

1573
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but your gold and silver would have the

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buying power of three million dollars

1575
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O'Brien is the co-host you're in the

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power cast and I was asking Wesley about

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01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:50,760
evidence if there is any of possible

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01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:53,530
government interactions with Iain of

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01:07:59,250 --> 01:07:56,050
course then we go back to some of these

1649
01:08:01,890 --> 01:07:59,260
we're disclosure type books such as the

1650
01:08:03,210 --> 01:08:01,900
day after Roswell I might as well ask

1651
01:08:05,579 --> 01:08:03,220
you about do you think there's any

1652
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:05,589
evidence that we have taken et

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01:08:09,540 --> 01:08:07,690
technology and sent it off to private

1654
01:08:11,730 --> 01:08:09,550
industry so we can't find it from

1655
01:08:13,620 --> 01:08:11,740
Freedom of Information requests well I

1656
01:08:17,340 --> 01:08:13,630
mean if there hasn't been any evidence

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01:08:19,260 --> 01:08:17,350
that I can rely on or I can use as a

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01:08:21,450 --> 01:08:19,270
journalist I mean there's a lot of

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01:08:24,269 --> 01:08:21,460
speculation about it but and there's

1660
01:08:27,780 --> 01:08:24,279
people that say so and so some unnamed

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01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:27,790
source told me this or that but I you

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01:08:32,249 --> 01:08:30,370
know I as a journalist thought that kind

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01:08:34,229 --> 01:08:32,259
of information is not useful it can't be

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01:08:37,260 --> 01:08:34,239
verified it can't be corroborated it may

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01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:37,270
or may not be true but I can only go

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01:08:43,050 --> 01:08:39,730
with information that can be verified

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01:08:47,220 --> 01:08:43,060
and that's not something that I've ever

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01:08:49,079 --> 01:08:47,230
seen solid acting for so it kind of

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01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:49,089
leaves it open for a lot of people like

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01:08:53,999 --> 01:08:51,130
to speculate and talk about it but I

1671
01:08:57,209 --> 01:08:54,009
don't think it's solidly backed up at

1672
01:08:59,640 --> 01:08:57,219
all you can just such conscious or true

1673
01:09:03,240 --> 01:08:59,650
sure I mean I'm not saying it might not

1674
01:09:04,740 --> 01:09:03,250
be true I'm just don't know and I don't

1675
01:09:06,599 --> 01:09:04,750
have the kind of information that allows

1676
01:09:09,090 --> 01:09:06,609
me to determine it one way or the other

1677
01:09:11,490 --> 01:09:09,100
did you ever find yourself checking more

1678
01:09:13,769 --> 01:09:11,500
into the Roswell affair as part of this

1679
01:09:15,420 --> 01:09:13,779
balloons really gene I mean you know and

1680
01:09:17,910 --> 01:09:15,430
I hope people aren't going to be unhappy

1681
01:09:21,630 --> 01:09:17,920
there's not more in the book on the

1682
01:09:23,700 --> 01:09:21,640
Roswell affair I think one reason was it

1683
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:23,710
was the cases you know it was so long

1684
01:09:26,610 --> 01:09:24,850
ago that it happened

1685
01:09:28,440 --> 01:09:26,620
number two there's already been so much

1686
01:09:31,890 --> 01:09:28,450
research done and so much written about

1687
01:09:34,170 --> 01:09:31,900
it and number three my book was really

1688
01:09:36,180 --> 01:09:34,180
focused on official people you know

1689
01:09:38,370 --> 01:09:36,190
government officials pilots and generals

1690
01:09:40,110 --> 01:09:38,380
and people like that which we don't have

1691
01:09:42,390 --> 01:09:40,120
in connection with the Roswell case I

1692
01:09:43,860 --> 01:09:42,400
mean that as far as I know we don't have

1693
01:09:48,210 --> 01:09:43,870
high-level government officials that

1694
01:09:50,430 --> 01:09:48,220
have they're alive now and it just sort

1695
01:09:52,530 --> 01:09:50,440
of has this funny role in the culture

1696
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:52,540
the whole Roswell case of being sort of

1697
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:54,610
you know too much of a sort of a

1698
01:09:58,500 --> 01:09:57,010
cultural phenomenon and I just didn't

1699
01:10:00,870 --> 01:09:58,510
really think that it would be helpful

1700
01:10:04,230 --> 01:10:00,880
for this kind of a book to deal with

1701
01:10:05,910 --> 01:10:04,240
that case I applaud your decision yeah

1702
01:10:08,730 --> 01:10:05,920
there's lots of other cases you know

1703
01:10:10,470 --> 01:10:08,740
that I couldn't but it just wasn't it

1704
01:10:13,380 --> 01:10:10,480
wouldn't really wouldn't have made sense

1705
01:10:15,090 --> 01:10:13,390
or work for this book so I didn't I I

1706
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:15,100
mentioned it a little bit in conjunction

1707
01:10:20,250 --> 01:10:18,250
with congressmen shifts effort to get

1708
01:10:23,220 --> 01:10:20,260
information about the Roswell case and I

1709
01:10:25,140 --> 01:10:23,230
do talk about that in the book and the

1710
01:10:26,730 --> 01:10:25,150
fact that you know the GAO said that the

1711
01:10:28,440 --> 01:10:26,740
documents have been destroyed it's just

1712
01:10:30,570 --> 01:10:28,450
sort of it's sort of presented in bigger

1713
01:10:32,340 --> 01:10:30,580
context of the bigger issues around

1714
01:10:34,500 --> 01:10:32,350
government secrecy okay wait I know what

1715
01:10:37,140 --> 01:10:34,510
let's let's mention that because this is

1716
01:10:38,850 --> 01:10:37,150
something that I realize you want people

1717
01:10:40,950 --> 01:10:38,860
to read the book but this is something

1718
01:10:43,110 --> 01:10:40,960
that we really should get into documents

1719
01:10:44,910 --> 01:10:43,120
being destroyed you said the roswell

1720
01:10:47,010 --> 01:10:44,920
documents were destroyed anything else

1721
01:10:47,610 --> 01:10:47,020
what other documents ended up being

1722
01:10:50,100 --> 01:10:47,620
destroyed

1723
01:10:52,140 --> 01:10:50,110
Troy died you know good question I'd

1724
01:10:54,030 --> 01:10:52,150
have to think about that well of course

1725
01:10:56,970 --> 01:10:54,040
we never found the estimate of the

1726
01:10:59,460 --> 01:10:56,980
situation the very important project

1727
01:11:01,830 --> 01:10:59,470
fine document that was sent up the chain

1728
01:11:03,570 --> 01:11:01,840
of command stating that a certain number

1729
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:03,580
of staffers believed that this was an

1730
01:11:09,390 --> 01:11:06,210
interplanetary phenomena the government

1731
01:11:11,580 --> 01:11:09,400
Vanderbilt Vanderbilt who then returned

1732
01:11:13,620 --> 01:11:11,590
it to the project science said that we

1733
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:13,630
don't have enough proof of this and this

1734
01:11:18,090 --> 01:11:16,090
was way back in I don't know 1950 or

1735
01:11:20,490 --> 01:11:18,100
something that document has never

1736
01:11:22,890 --> 01:11:20,500
surfaced I don't know if that means it

1737
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:22,900
was destroyed but I think Navy route

1738
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:25,090
belt-fed in his book it was destroyed or

1739
01:11:28,660 --> 01:11:27,130
something so I don't know about a lot of

1740
01:11:31,180 --> 01:11:28,670
specific I mean if they're destroyed

1741
01:11:33,850 --> 01:11:31,190
means we don't have them too so how do

1742
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:33,860
we know they're destroyed but we do know

1743
01:11:37,540 --> 01:11:36,170
that that's about the GAO coming out

1744
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:37,550
with an investigation at the Royal

1745
01:11:40,919 --> 01:11:39,050
Apartments at 9:00 I'm sure there are

1746
01:11:43,919 --> 01:11:40,929
others that are missing or destroyed

1747
01:11:47,290 --> 01:11:43,929
Roswell case closed

1748
01:11:49,300 --> 01:11:47,300
exactly I mean the final answer I've got

1749
01:11:51,669 --> 01:11:49,310
an interesting question for you Leslie

1750
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:51,679
there's very intriguing information

1751
01:11:58,090 --> 01:11:55,690
about the overflight of these objects in

1752
01:12:02,020 --> 01:11:58,100
in the United States and elsewhere over

1753
01:12:05,770 --> 01:12:02,030
sensitive military sites one would think

1754
01:12:07,570 --> 01:12:05,780
that this would have quite puzzled eat I

1755
01:12:10,060 --> 01:12:07,580
would think national security

1756
01:12:12,419 --> 01:12:10,070
implications if these objects are able

1757
01:12:16,300 --> 01:12:12,429
to fly with impunity over let's say

1758
01:12:19,630 --> 01:12:16,310
nuclear missile sites as we have in the

1759
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:19,640
in the 70s in Montana also you mentioned

1760
01:12:25,090 --> 01:12:23,210
the Rendlesham case from England what

1761
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:25,100
did you find out in your research about

1762
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:27,770
how the official response was by

1763
01:12:32,220 --> 01:12:29,449
government officials to these over

1764
01:12:35,260 --> 01:12:32,230
flights and in some cases the actual

1765
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:35,270
manipulation of some of the technology

1766
01:12:40,180 --> 01:12:37,370
the earth technology whether it be

1767
01:12:42,610 --> 01:12:40,190
missiles or other things what how did

1768
01:12:44,620 --> 01:12:42,620
you did you find any trending in terms

1769
01:12:46,750 --> 01:12:44,630
of how the government would respond to

1770
01:12:49,780 --> 01:12:46,760
multiple multiple witness cases of this

1771
01:12:52,510 --> 01:12:49,790
sort well I mean my my sense of these

1772
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:52,520
cases is that the ones that I am

1773
01:12:58,060 --> 01:12:55,850
familiar with anyway is that they you

1774
01:13:00,160 --> 01:12:58,070
know the ones that happen died secret

1775
01:13:02,020 --> 01:13:00,170
I'm a post-project maybe not before

1776
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:02,030
Project Blue Book closed and after but

1777
01:13:06,850 --> 01:13:04,370
is that they were they were handled very

1778
01:13:09,370 --> 01:13:06,860
much within the context of the military

1779
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:09,380
base that people were debriefed and and

1780
01:13:15,910 --> 01:13:11,570
told to keep quiet about it basically

1781
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:15,920
and they weren't reported I mean as some

1782
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:17,210
of them were covered in the media to

1783
01:13:21,580 --> 01:13:20,330
some extent but my sense of it and again

1784
01:13:23,910 --> 01:13:21,590
I'm not an expert on this particular

1785
01:13:25,990 --> 01:13:23,920
type of case but my sense is that they

1786
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:26,000
tried to keep it quiet as best they

1787
01:13:29,260 --> 01:13:28,489
could and they could have been a lot of

1788
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:29,270
reasons for that

1789
01:13:34,209 --> 01:13:31,250
maybe some of them legitimate reasons

1790
01:13:35,890 --> 01:13:34,219
but I know I've talked to Robert Salas

1791
01:13:39,070 --> 01:13:35,900
quite a bit who I've interviewed in the

1792
01:13:40,570 --> 01:13:39,080
book and you know he was debriefed but

1793
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:40,580
told not to talk about it I think that

1794
01:13:44,130 --> 01:13:42,010
was fairly common

1795
01:13:45,660 --> 01:13:44,140
same with Miranda Shum they were

1796
01:13:48,690 --> 01:13:45,670
debriefed and told not to talk about it

1797
01:13:50,250 --> 01:13:48,700
so that seems to be the trend and the

1798
01:13:52,950 --> 01:13:50,260
interesting thing about those nuclear

1799
01:13:55,740 --> 01:13:52,960
cases also in terms of my book is that

1800
01:14:00,030 --> 01:13:55,750
jaw jacked Velasco who headed up the

1801
01:14:01,979 --> 01:14:00,040
French agency j'ai pas for 20 years has

1802
01:14:04,430 --> 01:14:01,989
written at the end of his chapter about

1803
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:04,440
his own work has written about his

1804
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:06,970
strong belief in the connection between

1805
01:14:13,020 --> 01:14:09,850
UFO sightings or UFO overflights

1806
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:13,030
and the nuclear issue and it's the first

1807
01:14:16,890 --> 01:14:14,650
time he's really spoken out about that

1808
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:16,900
as much as he did here so that's it is a

1809
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:18,370
really interesting aspect of this whole

1810
01:14:23,070 --> 01:14:21,370
phenomenon and the whole question of why

1811
01:14:26,100 --> 01:14:23,080
they might be here if indeed they're

1812
01:14:28,440 --> 01:14:26,110
coming from somewhere else which again

1813
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:28,450
we don't really know but so possibly

1814
01:14:33,150 --> 01:14:30,370
we're dealing with a reaction but it's

1815
01:14:35,820 --> 01:14:33,160
not being made public or it's not let's

1816
01:14:37,830 --> 01:14:35,830
say within the purview of foi a I would

1817
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:37,840
think that the government would have

1818
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:40,930
some real concerns about some of the

1819
01:14:46,710 --> 01:14:43,570
cases that have you know finally come

1820
01:14:49,310 --> 01:14:46,720
out over the years especially a case

1821
01:14:51,330 --> 01:14:49,320
like Rendlesham or the military

1822
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:51,340
involvement with the missile silo

1823
01:14:55,830 --> 01:14:54,370
sightings in Montana and Michigan to me

1824
01:14:57,540 --> 01:14:55,840
it would seem that that would be

1825
01:15:01,140 --> 01:14:57,550
something that would be of quite a

1826
01:15:02,790 --> 01:15:01,150
concern and I'm I'm surprised that we

1827
01:15:04,740 --> 01:15:02,800
really don't have any documentation

1828
01:15:05,460 --> 01:15:04,750
about official government responses to

1829
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:05,470
these events

1830
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:07,570
that's Kure anak you're absolutely right

1831
01:15:10,500 --> 01:15:08,890
and there's no question they would have

1832
01:15:12,180 --> 01:15:10,510
had to have been concerned at the time

1833
01:15:13,470 --> 01:15:12,190
but I think it's also clear that they

1834
01:15:14,940 --> 01:15:13,480
didn't they would not want this

1835
01:15:17,729 --> 01:15:14,950
information to become public when

1836
01:15:19,830 --> 01:15:17,739
involve something sensitive as a nuclear

1837
01:15:22,050 --> 01:15:19,840
base being actually affected by these

1838
01:15:23,910 --> 01:15:22,060
but say the missile shutting down or

1839
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:23,920
something like that I mean this is

1840
01:15:27,090 --> 01:15:25,690
they're not going to file reports on

1841
01:15:29,820 --> 01:15:27,100
that they're going to be available to

1842
01:15:31,229 --> 01:15:29,830
the public I don't think and at the time

1843
01:15:33,180 --> 01:15:31,239
they certainly wanted to keep it quiet

1844
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:33,190
we'll get into more of that in a moment

1845
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:34,690
to say they weren't interested in it

1846
01:15:41,220 --> 01:15:37,570
yeah we have Leslie Kane author of a new

1847
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UFO book gene Steinberg co-host is Chris

1848
01:15:49,460 --> 01:15:44,470
O'Brien you're in the para cast

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[Music]

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01:20:16,919 --> 01:20:15,029
Leslie Kane joins us talking about her

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new book before we go on you have a

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special site set up for this book and

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01:20:25,379 --> 01:20:20,979
use how our listeners were to find it

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yes the site is UFOs on the record calm

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01:20:29,459 --> 01:20:27,189
it's sort of an abbreviated version of

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01:20:31,169 --> 01:20:29,469
the title of a book UFOs on the record

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01:20:34,019 --> 01:20:31,179
calm and it's got lots of background

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01:20:35,249 --> 01:20:34,029
information and it also has a blog where

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I'm going to be communicating with

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people and posting stuff as the book

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01:20:42,389 --> 01:20:40,119
comes out and things that happen with

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01:20:45,359 --> 01:20:42,399
the media and so on links to shows like

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01:20:46,679 --> 01:20:45,369
this one so I hope people will check it

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01:20:48,299 --> 01:20:46,689
out there's also if I want to buy the

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01:20:51,719 --> 01:20:48,309
book they can do it on that site as well

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but if you guys can get something from

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them buying it there I encourage them to

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buy it there I don't want to tell people

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how embarrassingly low the Commission's

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they give you from Amazon books are I

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01:21:06,209 --> 01:21:04,239
mean it's like a pennies per book really

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01:21:07,949 --> 01:21:06,219
it's really insane but you know we'll

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take anything we can get so we're happy

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01:21:13,649 --> 01:21:10,449
to have it okay so it's UFOs on the

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record com correct yeah and we will do

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01:21:16,619 --> 01:21:15,309
anything there's a blog I just want

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people you know it's an interactive blog

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01:21:19,619 --> 01:21:17,739
and I think it'd be fun to have people

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01:21:21,149 --> 01:21:19,629
check it out yeah I'm saying what we'll

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01:21:23,939 --> 01:21:21,159
do is when you click the name Leslie

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cane on the para cast con website you

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01:21:27,569 --> 01:21:25,989
will magically go to that place isn't

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01:21:30,019 --> 01:21:27,579
that amazing our co-host is Chris

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01:21:32,939 --> 01:21:30,029
O'Brien you were talking of course about

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01:21:34,559 --> 01:21:32,949
UFOs and nukes and of course researcher

1971
01:21:37,139 --> 01:21:34,569
Robert Hastings did a book about that

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01:21:39,749 --> 01:21:37,149
where UFOs are seen over nuclear

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01:21:42,629 --> 01:21:39,759
installations and there have been

1974
01:21:45,239 --> 01:21:42,639
stories about maybe they're trying to do

1975
01:21:47,309 --> 01:21:45,249
some things there now have you seen much

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01:21:49,799 --> 01:21:47,319
evidence in your studies of UFOs

1977
01:21:54,059 --> 01:21:49,809
actually not just showing up but trying

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01:21:55,799 --> 01:21:54,069
to interfere or impact something well I

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01:21:57,749 --> 01:21:55,809
mean there are the cases we've been just

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01:21:59,279 --> 01:21:57,759
talking about with the nuclear bases I'm

1981
01:22:02,009 --> 01:21:59,289
trying to think of other cases where

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01:22:03,629 --> 01:22:02,019
they've interferes well of course the

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01:22:05,939 --> 01:22:03,639
two pilots we were talking about once

1984
01:22:07,199 --> 01:22:05,949
they shut down their equipment not just

1985
01:22:09,329 --> 01:22:07,209
trying to think off the top of my head

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of anything else well of course we

1987
01:22:12,869 --> 01:22:11,169
always had those sightings that we

1988
01:22:14,220 --> 01:22:12,879
always heard about and especially its

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mentioned and kind of

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fantasised or dramatized and Close

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01:22:21,090 --> 01:22:18,460
Encounters of the Third Kind whether

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01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:21,100
UFOs get in your car and the cars

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01:22:26,220 --> 01:22:23,650
electrical system goes kaput temporarily

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right right and of course I'm been more

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01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:27,940
focused on airplanes but it's the same

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thing where you know airplanes are

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pulled off course say or the equipment

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inside the cockpit goes completely nuts

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you know it starts spinning around the

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compasses and or they lose they lose

2001
01:22:44,490 --> 01:22:41,710
their radio their ability to communicate

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01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:44,500
with the ground there's lots of cases of

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01:22:49,290 --> 01:22:45,730
that kind of thing happening where

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aircraft are affected by proximity to a

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01:22:56,910 --> 01:22:53,830
UFO the other terrain case from 76 the

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01:22:58,890 --> 01:22:56,920
way to the Tehran case from 1976 where

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01:23:00,960 --> 01:22:58,900
the pilot was actually locked on to the

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01:23:02,700 --> 01:23:00,970
to the object and his system failed

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01:23:04,740 --> 01:23:02,710
that's when we were talking about

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01:23:06,870 --> 01:23:04,750
earlier - yeah so there are lots of

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01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:06,880
cases where the but there are also cases

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01:23:12,060 --> 01:23:10,090
where the just being near a UFO affects

2013
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:12,070
an aircraft and that's where the

2014
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:14,890
aviation safety issue comes in which is

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01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:17,050
a great concern - dr. Richard Haines at

2016
01:23:20,490 --> 01:23:18,610
its group in our cap we've been working

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01:23:22,260 --> 01:23:20,500
on that for a long time and I think it's

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01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:22,270
a very important component of this issue

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it's also a good Avenue for bringing

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01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:27,010
attention to it because a lot of people

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01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:30,850
respond to the aviation safety aspect of

2022
01:23:37,050 --> 01:23:34,650
it and they feel less threatened by

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01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:37,060
associating themselves with UFOs when

2024
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:38,770
there's a reason for it such as aviation

2025
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:41,050
safety so we have found over the years

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01:23:46,470 --> 01:23:42,970
that government officials are quite

2027
01:23:48,870 --> 01:23:46,480
responsive to that aspect to it I was

2028
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:48,880
going to ask you being a frontline

2029
01:23:53,820 --> 01:23:51,970
journalist I couldn't help but notice

2030
01:23:57,090 --> 01:23:53,830
that Miles O'Brien who I believe is the

2031
01:23:59,820 --> 01:23:57,100
aviation correspondent for rusty NN had

2032
01:24:03,479 --> 01:23:59,830
a very interesting quote there that you

2033
01:24:06,750 --> 01:24:03,489
used in the publicity for the book what

2034
01:24:09,210 --> 01:24:06,760
is the feeling of your top flight of

2035
01:24:11,670 --> 01:24:09,220
frontline journalists about the UFO

2036
01:24:15,090 --> 01:24:11,680
question we're seeing I think in my

2037
01:24:18,900 --> 01:24:15,100
opinion a gradual fading away from the

2038
01:24:22,590 --> 01:24:18,910
little green men and alien jokes at the

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01:24:25,440 --> 01:24:22,600
end of local broadcast I do seem to feel

2040
01:24:26,850 --> 01:24:25,450
that there is a tendency to trend

2041
01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:26,860
towards taking the subject more

2042
01:24:29,620 --> 01:24:28,250
seriously

2043
01:24:32,440 --> 01:24:29,630
what do you think you thinking on this

2044
01:24:34,780 --> 01:24:32,450
what's what have you felt is the

2045
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:34,790
journalistic trend that's going on here

2046
01:24:37,870 --> 01:24:36,650
yeah i man think I would agree you Chris

2047
01:24:40,300 --> 01:24:37,880
if I look back to when I actually

2048
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:40,310
started covering this topic which was

2049
01:24:45,310 --> 01:24:43,610
about 10 years ago I think there is more

2050
01:24:48,070 --> 01:24:45,320
coverage now and there's better coverage

2051
01:24:49,420 --> 01:24:48,080
now so I still think of course there's

2052
01:24:50,620 --> 01:24:49,430
plenty of articles that come out with

2053
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:50,630
the little green men thing they just

2054
01:24:55,990 --> 01:24:53,570
can't stay away from that little green

2055
01:24:58,030 --> 01:24:56,000
men and you know they have to make some

2056
01:24:59,590 --> 01:24:58,040
kind of joke in it but I I agree with

2057
01:25:01,600 --> 01:24:59,600
you I think overall it's better and

2058
01:25:03,670 --> 01:25:01,610
there's so much coverage Oh every time

2059
01:25:05,890 --> 01:25:03,680
as you mentioned earlier there's there's

2060
01:25:09,070 --> 01:25:05,900
a document that come out of the mov or

2061
01:25:11,350 --> 01:25:09,080
there's the sighting in China or you

2062
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:11,360
know there was a member that was up

2063
01:25:14,620 --> 01:25:13,010
sighting in Cleveland Ohio that

2064
01:25:17,140 --> 01:25:14,630
eventually turned out to be an airplane

2065
01:25:20,140 --> 01:25:17,150
coming but you know there the media gets

2066
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:20,150
very worked up about these cases and I

2067
01:25:24,100 --> 01:25:22,010
think overall they're doing a better job

2068
01:25:26,230 --> 01:25:24,110
than they used to in terms of the way

2069
01:25:28,390 --> 01:25:26,240
they cover it well I don't see when they

2070
01:25:30,910 --> 01:25:28,400
bring up the sighting as much laughter

2071
01:25:33,970 --> 01:25:30,920
is used you get it's not the summer wink

2072
01:25:36,460 --> 01:25:33,980
and nod oh it's the silly season we have

2073
01:25:39,700 --> 01:25:36,470
nothing to report on so we'll talk about

2074
01:25:41,740 --> 01:25:39,710
UFOs here's a sighting ha ha okay well I

2075
01:25:43,570 --> 01:25:41,750
think you're right and I'm hoping that

2076
01:25:46,300 --> 01:25:43,580
this book will put it up even another

2077
01:25:49,030 --> 01:25:46,310
notch in the media in terms of how they

2078
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:49,040
respond to it so I will see I think

2079
01:25:53,170 --> 01:25:51,290
we're moving in the right direction now

2080
01:25:54,700 --> 01:25:53,180
in putting this book together all the

2081
01:25:58,570 --> 01:25:54,710
research you've done that you find any

2082
01:26:00,070 --> 01:25:58,580
areas of possible resistance in getting

2083
01:26:01,900 --> 01:26:00,080
information out people saying you know

2084
01:26:04,300 --> 01:26:01,910
what I can't talk about this because my

2085
01:26:06,370 --> 01:26:04,310
government contacts will be gone they're

2086
01:26:08,620 --> 01:26:06,380
interfering with me something like that

2087
01:26:10,690 --> 01:26:08,630
we mean people that actually contributed

2088
01:26:12,970 --> 01:26:10,700
to the book or people are let you try to

2089
01:26:16,570 --> 01:26:12,980
get to contribute yeah I mean over the

2090
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:16,580
years there have been certainly people I

2091
01:26:20,830 --> 01:26:18,770
have spoken to who would not go on the

2092
01:26:22,660 --> 01:26:20,840
record for various reasons who would not

2093
01:26:23,980 --> 01:26:22,670
you know for reasons like you're just

2094
01:26:26,890 --> 01:26:23,990
suggesting that they could get in

2095
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:26,900
trouble or they weren't they have us or

2096
01:26:30,310 --> 01:26:28,970
they aren't supposed to talk about it

2097
01:26:31,630 --> 01:26:30,320
that kind of thing and there's a lot of

2098
01:26:33,250 --> 01:26:31,640
witnesses who won't go on the record

2099
01:26:35,830 --> 01:26:33,260
because they're afraid of ridicule

2100
01:26:38,350 --> 01:26:35,840
so I haven't counted that over the years

2101
01:26:39,660 --> 01:26:38,360
and and as I say in the book I mean

2102
01:26:41,669 --> 01:26:39,670
there there are certain

2103
01:26:43,950 --> 01:26:41,679
and types of information I have received

2104
01:26:45,900 --> 01:26:43,960
that I just have to kind of call it deep

2105
01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:45,910
background it's fascinating and it's

2106
01:26:50,850 --> 01:26:48,250
meaningful to me but unless something

2107
01:26:53,189 --> 01:26:50,860
can be really checked out and the person

2108
01:26:55,500 --> 01:26:53,199
is willing to have their name attached

2109
01:26:56,939 --> 01:26:55,510
to it and so and it really can only go

2110
01:26:58,860 --> 01:26:56,949
so far in terms of being useful

2111
01:27:01,680 --> 01:26:58,870
information that can be can be put

2112
01:27:03,419 --> 01:27:01,690
forward so it's more those kinds of

2113
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:03,429
things are more background information

2114
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:05,290
for me where certain people have

2115
01:27:08,340 --> 01:27:06,850
restrictions on the other hand though

2116
01:27:11,189 --> 01:27:08,350
there's a lot of witnesses for instance

2117
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:11,199
feel hair case I mean there is literally

2118
01:27:15,330 --> 01:27:13,210
not one witness that was willing to put

2119
01:27:17,130 --> 01:27:15,340
their name out on that case which i

2120
01:27:18,959 --> 01:27:17,140
think is really a strong statement as to

2121
01:27:22,709 --> 01:27:18,969
the problem that we have right now I

2122
01:27:25,530 --> 01:27:22,719
mean so amazing it's not amazing really

2123
01:27:28,410 --> 01:27:25,540
documented well documented it was in the

2124
01:27:30,330 --> 01:27:28,420
media you know then there's 11 Dan the

2125
01:27:32,250 --> 01:27:30,340
NARC at people did this great study of

2126
01:27:33,510 --> 01:27:32,260
it and not one name has come out and

2127
01:27:36,419 --> 01:27:33,520
they're all because they were afraid

2128
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:36,429
about their job security so that's a

2129
01:27:41,189 --> 01:27:38,650
statement as to where we're at and and

2130
01:27:43,140 --> 01:27:41,199
why we we so much need to change it

2131
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:43,150
situation did you at all cover

2132
01:27:48,780 --> 01:27:45,850
Stevensville Texas you know I didn't

2133
01:27:51,270 --> 01:27:48,790
because again it was a happen while I

2134
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:51,280
was already writing the book and I just

2135
01:27:56,370 --> 01:27:53,770
didn't have the time and energy to to

2136
01:27:58,050 --> 01:27:56,380
look into it but I also was so focused

2137
01:28:00,270 --> 01:27:58,060
on having government officials be the

2138
01:28:01,770 --> 01:28:00,280
people that I'm dealing with these high

2139
01:28:03,930 --> 01:28:01,780
level people that are in the book that

2140
01:28:06,150 --> 01:28:03,940
there was nobody in that case that it

2141
01:28:08,459 --> 01:28:06,160
that was in that situation that could

2142
01:28:10,350 --> 01:28:08,469
talk about it I just it was just one of

2143
01:28:13,590 --> 01:28:10,360
the ones that I really didn't have the

2144
01:28:15,270 --> 01:28:13,600
time and energy to to take on now in

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putting this book together talking to

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the various contributors any of the

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information they present in the book

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come as a total surprise out of left

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field to you that's a very interesting

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question

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I don't think in terms of the content of

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what they said I think sometimes the

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emotion that they expressed was

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something I'd never heard before you

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know but terms of the actual facts of

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the cases I mean I certainly learned a

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tremendously much more detail about

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these cases that I might have been

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familiar with before but

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so nothing really bold you over well I

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mean a lot of the cases bowled me over

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yes

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but they they did I mean a lot of the

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cases bowled me over just reading about

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so this one case I don't think a lot of

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people know about is the one of Captain

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Gera from Portugal you know let's talk

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about that Portuguese case coming up on

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a next segment because it'd be nice I

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think people would like to hear about it

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and maybe know some of the more

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interesting details about it Leslie Cain

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called ufos generals pilots and

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government officials go on the record

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Steinberger in the power cast before we

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broke Lesley you were about to talk

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about a sighting in Portugal that

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sounded really fascinating to you tell

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us more actually yeah I would have to

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say this one did bowled me over and you

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know what I think had it because this

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this was an Air Force pilot and he was

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in a flying solo he was a flight

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instructor this is in 1982 and there was

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a second plane involved it had two

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01:34:50,700 --> 01:34:49,420
pilots in it but this guy he had this

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01:34:53,189 --> 01:34:50,710
very close encounter with this

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elliptical shaped object that was like

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flying elliptical circles around his

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plane as he just sort of hovered and he

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didn't hover but you know he was staying

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in one place pretty much just cruising

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in in small circles and this object was

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01:35:10,109 --> 01:35:08,230
like circling him and what was really

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01:35:12,899 --> 01:35:10,119
amazing to me was this guy was not

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01:35:16,290 --> 01:35:12,909
didn't seem frightened by this he was

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01:35:17,939 --> 01:35:16,300
extremely curious about it and he really

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wanted to find out more about the object

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so he decided at one point that he was

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going to do an intersect with this

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01:35:24,839 --> 01:35:23,409
object which meant the object had a

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definite trajectory that it kept

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repeating so he just lined his plane up

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along the trajectory of the object and

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what was coming back around its loop the

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object would have either had to would

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have crashed into him if it had kept

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going on its trajectory but the pilot

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ghiras names Rudge miss with his first

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name here his name is Julio Julio Guerra

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he was brave enough to just take the

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01:35:54,120 --> 01:35:51,429
chance he assumed that the object would

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would go off course to avoid hitting him

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and it was just his way of making me out

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just do something different so that they

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could maybe learn something about it so

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01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:01,780
he had it right and a head-on pathway

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01:36:05,489 --> 01:36:03,130
against this object I thought that was

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01:36:07,919 --> 01:36:05,499
pretty shockingly amazing he's playing

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chicken with the UFO plane together

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and willing to risk a head-on collision

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basically under the assumption that the

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object would go off course and he wanted

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to see what it would do and the other

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pilots were watching the whole thing so

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I'm not going to tell them I'm not going

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to give away the end of the story

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because I want people to read it

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it was really an amazing account but

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he's still here so at least that total

2331
01:36:33,459 --> 01:36:31,130
here still here and still fascinating

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he's actually a captain he flies for the

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major airline and porches in Portugal

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now Portugal yeah air marijuana whatever

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it's called I'm making notice as I'm

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traveling to Portugal I want him to be

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01:36:46,089 --> 01:36:44,090
violent he survived the UFO together

2338
01:36:48,009 --> 01:36:46,099
yeah never seen another one but he's uh

2339
01:36:49,899 --> 01:36:48,019
he's not at all afraid of flying or

2340
01:36:53,679 --> 01:36:49,909
anything he just he was incredibly

2341
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curious but not frightened and most of

2342
01:36:58,839 --> 01:36:56,150
the other pilots had some fear around

2343
01:37:00,250 --> 01:36:58,849
their their events so I thought oh yeah

2344
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:00,260
that's I wonder what the word for

2345
01:37:06,910 --> 01:37:03,610
cojones is in Portuguese I don't know

2346
01:37:09,699 --> 01:37:06,920
does he Adam we need a linguist here

2347
01:37:11,979 --> 01:37:09,709
yeah that's that's that's a it is a

2348
01:37:14,620 --> 01:37:11,989
quite a fascinating account and you have

2349
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to admire a man uh and if I can make the

2350
01:37:19,419 --> 01:37:17,539
point here that um you know but the real

2351
01:37:21,310 --> 01:37:19,429
purpose of this book was to try and

2352
01:37:23,589 --> 01:37:21,320
reach it's really written for people and

2353
01:37:25,779 --> 01:37:23,599
it's written for everyone but the focus

2354
01:37:28,419 --> 01:37:25,789
of it is to try and reach people who

2355
01:37:30,699 --> 01:37:28,429
don't really know anything about UFOs I

2356
01:37:32,799 --> 01:37:30,709
think a lot of these cases are somewhat

2357
01:37:34,149 --> 01:37:32,809
familiar to people but that who listened

2358
01:37:35,679 --> 01:37:34,159
to your show because they're they're

2359
01:37:37,569 --> 01:37:35,689
well versed in the subject what's

2360
01:37:39,219 --> 01:37:37,579
different is the fact that they're

2361
01:37:41,979 --> 01:37:39,229
written actually in the first person by

2362
01:37:45,160 --> 01:37:41,989
the actual people involved but even

2363
01:37:46,600 --> 01:37:45,170
beyond that you know the intention

2364
01:37:48,729 --> 01:37:46,610
behind this whole book is to sort of

2365
01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:48,739
break through a barrier and to reach the

2366
01:37:53,830 --> 01:37:51,170
mainstream public who normally would

2367
01:37:55,779 --> 01:37:53,840
never read a book about UFOs but I'm

2368
01:37:57,489 --> 01:37:55,789
hoping you know and I just want

2369
01:37:59,649 --> 01:37:57,499
listeners to know that if a lot of this

2370
01:38:02,140 --> 01:37:59,659
sounds familiar to them that's the

2371
01:38:04,330 --> 01:38:02,150
reason it's um it's really a chore to

2372
01:38:06,429 --> 01:38:04,340
try and hook the person who knows

2373
01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:06,439
nothing I'm going to ask the left-field

2374
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:08,570
question here the devil's advocate

2375
01:38:10,689 --> 01:38:10,010
question the skeptic is going to say

2376
01:38:13,239 --> 01:38:10,699
this okay

2377
01:38:14,949 --> 01:38:13,249
the people you had contribute sightings

2378
01:38:16,810 --> 01:38:14,959
to the book how did you vet those

2379
01:38:19,089 --> 01:38:16,820
sightings did you do some independent

2380
01:38:21,729 --> 01:38:19,099
investigation well as much as I could I

2381
01:38:24,699 --> 01:38:21,739
mean I found corroboration I talked to

2382
01:38:26,229 --> 01:38:24,709
other witnesses I listed documents you

2383
01:38:28,239 --> 01:38:26,239
know I did is in every case is different

2384
01:38:32,020 --> 01:38:28,249
in terms of the level at which I was

2385
01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:32,030
able to do that so you'd have to ask you

2386
01:38:34,070 --> 01:38:33,650
about a specific case but to the extent

2387
01:38:36,590 --> 01:38:34,080
that I

2388
01:38:39,320 --> 01:38:36,600
verify what was in the accounts I did

2389
01:38:42,710 --> 01:38:39,330
but I also for instance if a general was

2390
01:38:46,460 --> 01:38:42,720
telling me something I you know I let

2391
01:38:48,320 --> 01:38:46,470
his his his standing but in the military

2392
01:38:50,240 --> 01:38:48,330
in fact he was a general really carry a

2393
01:38:52,150 --> 01:38:50,250
lot of the weight as to what he was

2394
01:38:54,380 --> 01:38:52,160
saying and it was impossible for me to

2395
01:38:56,420 --> 01:38:54,390
fact-check every single thing that these

2396
01:38:58,040 --> 01:38:56,430
people told me you know it would have

2397
01:38:59,930 --> 01:38:58,050
involved going to the countries and

2398
01:39:02,960 --> 01:38:59,940
spending a lot of time which I wasn't in

2399
01:39:04,490 --> 01:39:02,970
position to do so I'm comfortable with

2400
01:39:06,440 --> 01:39:04,500
what's put forward there and I'm

2401
01:39:08,540 --> 01:39:06,450
comfortable with the amount of data

2402
01:39:10,430 --> 01:39:08,550
there is to back up the accounts that

2403
01:39:12,350 --> 01:39:10,440
the people give now were there any

2404
01:39:15,260 --> 01:39:12,360
pieces of information that didn't pass

2405
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:15,270
muster where you had to basically reject

2406
01:39:19,550 --> 01:39:17,610
the contribution because you found out

2407
01:39:24,050 --> 01:39:19,560
maybe the sighting wasn't well

2408
01:39:27,590 --> 01:39:24,060
documented well yeah I mean I without

2409
01:39:30,470 --> 01:39:27,600
naming any specifics there were there

2410
01:39:33,230 --> 01:39:30,480
was a went within another country there

2411
01:39:36,320 --> 01:39:33,240
were I was working with two different

2412
01:39:38,810 --> 01:39:36,330
officials who seemed to contradict each

2413
01:39:41,020 --> 01:39:38,820
other in terms of their reporting on a

2414
01:39:43,640 --> 01:39:41,030
very specific case down there so I

2415
01:39:46,130 --> 01:39:43,650
worked with them for a long time but I

2416
01:39:48,140 --> 01:39:46,140
think basically had to decide that this

2417
01:39:49,910 --> 01:39:48,150
was you know that I couldn't work with a

2418
01:39:52,250 --> 01:39:49,920
material because it was contradictory

2419
01:39:54,380 --> 01:39:52,260
and I I was in the position to go down

2420
01:39:55,880 --> 01:39:54,390
there and this was this was one

2421
01:39:58,510 --> 01:39:55,890
situation that I couldn't use their

2422
01:40:00,890 --> 01:39:58,520
material now in the light of

2423
01:40:02,360 --> 01:40:00,900
contributing to your book did you find

2424
01:40:04,490 --> 01:40:02,370
any of the people that you work with

2425
01:40:06,740 --> 01:40:04,500
were contacted by their respective

2426
01:40:09,860 --> 01:40:06,750
governments and told you no what do you

2427
01:40:11,330 --> 01:40:09,870
really want to do this I was not told

2428
01:40:14,060 --> 01:40:11,340
that that happened to anybody

2429
01:40:16,130 --> 01:40:14,070
I mean a lot of these people are retired

2430
01:40:19,130 --> 01:40:16,140
as well so there they have worked more

2431
01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:19,140
Liberty to do what they want to do I

2432
01:40:23,270 --> 01:40:22,410
know that captain rodrigo bravo ggarrido

2433
01:40:25,910 --> 01:40:23,280
from chile

2434
01:40:28,430 --> 01:40:25,920
he's only 32 years old he's actively

2435
01:40:31,550 --> 01:40:28,440
employed with the aviation army of chile

2436
01:40:34,220 --> 01:40:31,560
and he has to get cleared before he can

2437
01:40:37,370 --> 01:40:34,230
put stuff out like this he he had to get

2438
01:40:39,680 --> 01:40:37,380
cleared by the the you know bureaucracy

2439
01:40:42,600 --> 01:40:39,690
there his superiors within the aviation

2440
01:40:47,130 --> 01:40:42,610
army to come to our press conference in

2441
01:40:50,340 --> 01:40:47,140
November 2007 so I I think he's the only

2442
01:40:51,990 --> 01:40:50,350
one who's really has that kind of you

2443
01:40:54,960 --> 01:40:52,000
know control placed on him because

2444
01:40:56,550 --> 01:40:54,970
everyone else is pretty much I'm you

2445
01:40:58,830 --> 01:40:56,560
know pretty much retired and fairly

2446
01:41:01,410 --> 01:40:58,840
independent captain Bowyer is still

2447
01:41:03,240 --> 01:41:01,420
flying captain ray Bowyer who was the

2448
01:41:07,170 --> 01:41:03,250
British pilot who had the sighting in

2449
01:41:08,910 --> 01:41:07,180
2007 he's not retired but you know again

2450
01:41:10,590 --> 01:41:08,920
it's in other countries you don't have

2451
01:41:12,900 --> 01:41:10,600
the kind of restrictions that are placed

2452
01:41:14,190 --> 01:41:12,910
on people here and I haven't heard any

2453
01:41:16,710 --> 01:41:14,200
of them tell me that they've had any

2454
01:41:18,990 --> 01:41:16,720
problems being told not to do this now

2455
01:41:20,940 --> 01:41:19,000
overall in your recovery of documents

2456
01:41:24,330 --> 01:41:20,950
through freedom of information what

2457
01:41:26,430 --> 01:41:24,340
obstacles have you encountered boy major

2458
01:41:29,490 --> 01:41:26,440
obstacles which I know a lot of people

2459
01:41:31,740 --> 01:41:29,500
encounter which is you know delays lack

2460
01:41:33,450 --> 01:41:31,750
of responsiveness not coming up with

2461
01:41:34,350 --> 01:41:33,460
things that you know they have that

2462
01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:34,360
happened to me with the Kecksburg

2463
01:41:38,970 --> 01:41:36,970
incident with NASA I knew for a fact

2464
01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:38,980
that they had certain documents because

2465
01:41:42,660 --> 01:41:41,170
I already had them in my files and yet

2466
01:41:45,030 --> 01:41:42,670
they wrote back a letter saying they

2467
01:41:46,590 --> 01:41:45,040
didn't have the documents so that's why

2468
01:41:48,270 --> 01:41:46,600
we were able to file a lawsuit we

2469
01:41:51,450 --> 01:41:48,280
actually had to file a lawsuit on the

2470
01:41:54,330 --> 01:41:51,460
Kecksburg case the FOIA case to get NASA

2471
01:41:59,190 --> 01:41:54,340
to carry out its responsibilities so

2472
01:42:01,680 --> 01:41:59,200
it's a really a problem for people now

2473
01:42:03,450 --> 01:42:01,690
is the Obama administration anymore

2474
01:42:05,580 --> 01:42:03,460
forthcoming I mean they talked about

2475
01:42:08,790 --> 01:42:05,590
greater levels of transparency and

2476
01:42:11,070 --> 01:42:08,800
that's been disputed by the opposition

2477
01:42:13,380 --> 01:42:11,080
on the political spectrum but do you

2478
01:42:15,180 --> 01:42:13,390
find there any more cooperative for the

2479
01:42:17,310 --> 01:42:15,190
things you're doing yeah I mean I see I

2480
01:42:19,590 --> 01:42:17,320
haven't filed any FOIA requests since in

2481
01:42:21,480 --> 01:42:19,600
the last few years so I I really

2482
01:42:25,050 --> 01:42:21,490
couldn't say but I know that of course

2483
01:42:26,340 --> 01:42:25,060
when Obama came into office I know that

2484
01:42:28,140 --> 01:42:26,350
Obama made a statement when he first

2485
01:42:29,880 --> 01:42:28,150
came to office about you know being

2486
01:42:31,440 --> 01:42:29,890
committed to openness in government as

2487
01:42:33,690 --> 01:42:31,450
to whether this any of this has trickled

2488
01:42:35,820 --> 01:42:33,700
down into the actual offices that

2489
01:42:37,860 --> 01:42:35,830
deliver documents to people who write

2490
01:42:39,750 --> 01:42:37,870
for your requests I'm not I don't know

2491
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:39,760
because I haven't filed any of my own in

2492
01:42:46,410 --> 01:42:42,810
the last since Obama came to office so I

2493
01:42:48,360 --> 01:42:46,420
think we need major reforms in the in

2494
01:42:52,710 --> 01:42:48,370
the whole system because it just doesn't

2495
01:42:54,339 --> 01:42:52,720
work for people but I I can't comment on

2496
01:42:55,689 --> 01:42:54,349
to the extent whether that's actually

2497
01:42:58,479 --> 01:42:55,699
how much that may have changed or not

2498
01:43:00,279 --> 01:42:58,489
and in the last few years now John

2499
01:43:03,429 --> 01:43:00,289
Podesta of course has friends in high

2500
01:43:06,790 --> 01:43:03,439
places has he made any effort to work

2501
01:43:08,979 --> 01:43:06,800
with you to get stuff you can't get well

2502
01:43:11,889 --> 01:43:08,989
no I mean he was only the only

2503
01:43:14,259 --> 01:43:11,899
initiative I worked on was the Kecksburg

2504
01:43:16,239 --> 01:43:14,269
case and there's information on that

2505
01:43:18,189 --> 01:43:16,249
about my website for people who aren't

2506
01:43:20,520 --> 01:43:18,199
familiar and he was a supporter of that

2507
01:43:23,109 --> 01:43:20,530
initiative so he was not actually

2508
01:43:25,179 --> 01:43:23,119
actively you know helping to get the

2509
01:43:27,549 --> 01:43:25,189
document he was basically standing by

2510
01:43:29,020 --> 01:43:27,559
and lending his support and was very

2511
01:43:31,389 --> 01:43:29,030
interested in how it would Pao it all

2512
01:43:33,099 --> 01:43:31,399
turned out so no the answer to that is

2513
01:43:35,169 --> 01:43:33,109
he hasn't actually gone out and tried to

2514
01:43:37,509 --> 01:43:35,179
get anything have you asked him at all

2515
01:43:39,669 --> 01:43:37,519
to talk to the government officials the

2516
01:43:41,979 --> 01:43:39,679
Obama administration or Hillary Clinton

2517
01:43:43,599 --> 01:43:41,989
and say you know what really you got to

2518
01:43:45,250 --> 01:43:43,609
get some disclosure here we've got to

2519
01:43:48,219 --> 01:43:45,260
get some end game here to find out

2520
01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:48,229
what's going on right and I agree and

2521
01:43:53,139 --> 01:43:51,050
this is one of the purposes of the book

2522
01:43:55,599 --> 01:43:53,149
is to facilitate that and I'm what I'm

2523
01:43:57,520 --> 01:43:55,609
hoping is that once the momentum is

2524
01:44:00,759 --> 01:43:57,530
built up around it that it can serve as

2525
01:44:03,129 --> 01:44:00,769
a tool through which we can make

2526
01:44:04,899 --> 01:44:03,139
progress in that arena I mean I don't

2527
01:44:07,209 --> 01:44:04,909
particularly relate to the concept of

2528
01:44:09,699 --> 01:44:07,219
disclosure that's not the approach that

2529
01:44:11,290 --> 01:44:09,709
that we take and I'll tell you what

2530
01:44:13,239 --> 01:44:11,300
we'll ask about that in a moment

2531
01:44:15,549 --> 01:44:13,249
I just want to remind you that you can

2532
01:44:18,639 --> 01:44:15,559
interact with us this way go to forum

2533
01:44:21,189 --> 01:44:18,649
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2534
01:44:22,659 --> 01:44:21,199
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01:44:24,699 --> 01:44:22,669
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01:44:26,739 --> 01:44:24,709
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2537
01:44:28,599 --> 01:44:26,749
fact almost anything in particular we

2538
01:44:31,359 --> 01:44:28,609
have Leslie cane author of a new book on

2539
01:44:35,320 --> 01:44:31,369
UFOs I'm Jean Steinberg our co-host is

2540
01:44:39,649 --> 01:44:35,330
Chris O'Brien you're in the para cast

2541
01:44:42,330 --> 01:44:39,659
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2556
01:45:14,549 --> 01:45:12,699
have you ever wondered why banks

2557
01:45:16,350 --> 01:45:14,559
stockbrokers investment advisors won't

2558
01:45:18,750 --> 01:45:16,360
talk about gold IRAs they've been

2559
01:45:20,459 --> 01:45:18,760
available since 1986 yet the financial

2560
01:45:21,870 --> 01:45:20,469
industry won't recognize the value of

2561
01:45:23,790 --> 01:45:21,880
gold for your retirement

2562
01:45:25,979 --> 01:45:23,800
gold has outperformed paper investments

2563
01:45:28,100 --> 01:45:25,989
yet no word about IRAs if you would like

2564
01:45:31,439 --> 01:45:28,110
to have gold for your retirement call

2565
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2566
01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:33,219
rising inflation and low returns

2567
01:45:50,169 --> 01:45:47,379
welcome back to the pear cast the gold

2568
01:46:01,530 --> 01:45:50,179
standard of paranormal radio and now

2569
01:46:05,980 --> 01:46:04,030
we have Leslie cane she's offer her

2570
01:46:08,740 --> 01:46:05,990
brand-new book very new because it just

2571
01:46:10,420 --> 01:46:08,750
went on sale called UFOs generals pilots

2572
01:46:12,550 --> 01:46:10,430
and government officials go on the

2573
01:46:14,860 --> 01:46:12,560
record and it's a book that she wrote

2574
01:46:16,240 --> 01:46:14,870
certain portions of it and she also had

2575
01:46:18,100 --> 01:46:16,250
a number of other people government

2576
01:46:19,510 --> 01:46:18,110
officials military etc even our friend

2577
01:46:21,940 --> 01:46:19,520
Nick Pope has been on the show several

2578
01:46:24,250 --> 01:46:21,950
times they all contributed to this book

2579
01:46:26,260 --> 01:46:24,260
with sightings and other information so

2580
01:46:28,360 --> 01:46:26,270
maybe in this last hour of the show here

2581
01:46:30,220 --> 01:46:28,370
Leslie let's look at the end game you

2582
01:46:32,650 --> 01:46:30,230
don't like the word disclosure so what

2583
01:46:35,140 --> 01:46:32,660
do we call it the process of finding out

2584
01:46:38,560 --> 01:46:35,150
what's going on yeah cuz well our focus

2585
01:46:40,780 --> 01:46:38,570
is really not so much to find out what

2586
01:46:44,950 --> 01:46:40,790
you know what may have been kept secret

2587
01:46:47,980 --> 01:46:44,960
but it that way but the approach is to

2588
01:46:50,560 --> 01:46:47,990
set up a new government agency a small

2589
01:46:52,690 --> 01:46:50,570
one which would not cost very much that

2590
01:46:54,820 --> 01:46:52,700
can link with other agencies around the

2591
01:46:56,080 --> 01:46:54,830
world that are already working on the

2592
01:46:58,330 --> 01:46:56,090
subject and many of them are represented

2593
01:47:01,000 --> 01:46:58,340
in the book by the heads of those

2594
01:47:02,920 --> 01:47:01,010
agencies and we want the US government

2595
01:47:04,570 --> 01:47:02,930
to decide that it's going to support the

2596
01:47:06,820 --> 01:47:04,580
small agency doesn't really have to do

2597
01:47:09,310 --> 01:47:06,830
very much except authorize the some

2598
01:47:12,120 --> 01:47:09,320
department to set it up the point being

2599
01:47:14,740 --> 01:47:12,130
that what we should be asking for is an

2600
01:47:16,900 --> 01:47:14,750
investigation that will lead us to the

2601
01:47:20,230 --> 01:47:16,910
discovery of what these objects actually

2602
01:47:21,610 --> 01:47:20,240
are and we can't be assuming that

2603
01:47:23,860 --> 01:47:21,620
they're extraterrestrial

2604
01:47:25,570 --> 01:47:23,870
telling our officials that and expecting

2605
01:47:27,220 --> 01:47:25,580
our officials to respond to that it's

2606
01:47:29,290 --> 01:47:27,230
just not the way it works they'll think

2607
01:47:30,700 --> 01:47:29,300
you're a bunch of wackos oh your concept

2608
01:47:32,650 --> 01:47:30,710
what's it they'll think you're a bunch

2609
01:47:35,080 --> 01:47:32,660
of wackos if you demand that you tell us

2610
01:47:37,990 --> 01:47:35,090
communities here the disclosure complex

2611
01:47:41,470 --> 01:47:38,000
has a built-in presumption that it's an

2612
01:47:43,750 --> 01:47:41,480
accepted it's a given fact that the UFOs

2613
01:47:46,720 --> 01:47:43,760
are extraterrestrial Viet vehicles that

2614
01:47:48,820 --> 01:47:46,730
are here and we cannot that isn't an

2615
01:47:50,440 --> 01:47:48,830
accepted fact most people do not agree

2616
01:47:52,210 --> 01:47:50,450
that that's an accepted fact and they're

2617
01:47:54,870 --> 01:47:52,220
not going to accept that as an accepted

2618
01:47:57,460 --> 01:47:54,880
fact until scientists can do a

2619
01:47:59,950 --> 01:47:57,470
legitimate investigation that determines

2620
01:48:02,410 --> 01:47:59,960
that for us and that's the step we need

2621
01:48:04,810 --> 01:48:02,420
to take now it's the US government to be

2622
01:48:07,660 --> 01:48:04,820
willing to play some kind of a minimal

2623
01:48:10,029 --> 01:48:07,670
role in you know contributing to a

2624
01:48:11,169 --> 01:48:10,039
worldwide effort to find out

2625
01:48:12,909 --> 01:48:11,179
and it doesn't have to be anything

2626
01:48:15,459 --> 01:48:12,919
that's super public or with a lot of

2627
01:48:17,649 --> 01:48:15,469
fanfare they just have to be willing to

2628
01:48:20,020 --> 01:48:17,659
fund a small office we can use the model

2629
01:48:21,489 --> 01:48:20,030
of the office in France as a pas and

2630
01:48:23,229 --> 01:48:21,499
I've gone over there and I've spoken to

2631
01:48:25,270 --> 01:48:23,239
the people over there and I know how

2632
01:48:27,429 --> 01:48:25,280
that system works and it really doesn't

2633
01:48:29,229 --> 01:48:27,439
take a lot of money or resources to do

2634
01:48:31,839 --> 01:48:29,239
it but it could make a huge difference

2635
01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:31,849
but how do you know then how do you know

2636
01:48:35,109 --> 01:48:33,530
then Leslie that the government doesn't

2637
01:48:37,509 --> 01:48:35,119
already have this going on behind the

2638
01:48:39,339 --> 01:48:37,519
scenes they may have something deep dark

2639
01:48:41,619 --> 01:48:39,349
very behind the scenes that's quite

2640
01:48:43,569 --> 01:48:41,629
possible we don't know when where any

2641
01:48:44,829 --> 01:48:43,579
other eye you know and you're right they

2642
01:48:46,479 --> 01:48:44,839
could but this is something that would

2643
01:48:49,029 --> 01:48:46,489
be completely separate from that this is

2644
01:48:51,129 --> 01:48:49,039
a public an office that would be

2645
01:48:53,500 --> 01:48:51,139
responsible to the public everything it

2646
01:48:55,719 --> 01:48:53,510
does would be made public and its

2647
01:48:58,359 --> 01:48:55,729
purpose would be to be set up so that if

2648
01:49:01,059 --> 01:48:58,369
an event took place let's say like Deal

2649
01:49:02,859 --> 01:49:01,069
chicago-o'hare incident for instance it

2650
01:49:04,829 --> 01:49:02,869
would be set up so that when an event

2651
01:49:07,779 --> 01:49:04,839
took place that was worthy of

2652
01:49:09,489 --> 01:49:07,789
investigation such as that one the

2653
01:49:12,069 --> 01:49:09,499
system would be in place by which the

2654
01:49:15,939 --> 01:49:12,079
the the event could be investigated very

2655
01:49:17,500 --> 01:49:15,949
efficiently quickly and made public the

2656
01:49:19,509 --> 01:49:17,510
the results of that investigation would

2657
01:49:21,969 --> 01:49:19,519
be made public that's that's would be

2658
01:49:23,559 --> 01:49:21,979
one purpose of the agency and that's how

2659
01:49:25,179 --> 01:49:23,569
they do it in jquan they have a whole

2660
01:49:26,919 --> 01:49:25,189
network of officials throughout the

2661
01:49:29,199 --> 01:49:26,929
country that are in place and ready to

2662
01:49:31,839 --> 01:49:29,209
assist with any kind of investigation

2663
01:49:33,969 --> 01:49:31,849
that's needed and they just take on the

2664
01:49:36,669 --> 01:49:33,979
various cases that need to be probed it

2665
01:49:40,479 --> 01:49:36,679
would not be a secret hidden program you

2666
01:49:42,009 --> 01:49:40,489
know that goes on in the background that

2667
01:49:43,809 --> 01:49:42,019
nobody knows about this would be very

2668
01:49:45,339 --> 01:49:43,819
much something that's available to the

2669
01:49:47,770 --> 01:49:45,349
public it would have a board of people

2670
01:49:49,389 --> 01:49:47,780
that were you know not government people

2671
01:49:51,759 --> 01:49:49,399
that would be working with it and we'd

2672
01:49:53,529 --> 01:49:51,769
be helping out so if it's a secret

2673
01:49:55,359 --> 01:49:53,539
government program if there is one can

2674
01:49:56,500 --> 01:49:55,369
just continue on its merry way but this

2675
01:49:59,109 --> 01:49:56,510
is something that would sort of have to

2676
01:50:00,369 --> 01:49:59,119
operate in parallel to that and it

2677
01:50:03,009 --> 01:50:00,379
really differrent kind of a framework

2678
01:50:06,009 --> 01:50:03,019
when that being a danger though there

2679
01:50:08,679 --> 01:50:06,019
was a secret program investigating UFOs

2680
01:50:11,739 --> 01:50:08,689
and its implications wouldn't that work

2681
01:50:13,509 --> 01:50:11,749
across purposes to a public agency well

2682
01:50:15,159 --> 01:50:13,519
possibly but I don't you know I don't

2683
01:50:18,369 --> 01:50:15,169
know to what extent there is a secret

2684
01:50:20,199 --> 01:50:18,379
investigation going on and I don't you

2685
01:50:22,329 --> 01:50:20,209
know I think it would depend on some

2686
01:50:23,690 --> 01:50:22,339
people have proposed that this a lot of

2687
01:50:27,890 --> 01:50:23,700
people involved with the secret

2688
01:50:31,220 --> 01:50:27,900
program want it become public so this is

2689
01:50:34,730 --> 01:50:31,230
a way that maybe it could become public

2690
01:50:36,230 --> 01:50:34,740
slowly and you know I don't know I don't

2691
01:50:37,880 --> 01:50:36,240
know what's going on behind the scenes I

2692
01:50:40,160 --> 01:50:37,890
just think this is the rational approach

2693
01:50:42,170 --> 01:50:40,170
that people can get behind and I've also

2694
01:50:43,700 --> 01:50:42,180
talked to enough people that are

2695
01:50:45,770 --> 01:50:43,710
connected with government or that are

2696
01:50:47,270 --> 01:50:45,780
involved with government to the extent

2697
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:47,280
that I believe this is really an

2698
01:50:52,520 --> 01:50:50,010
achievable goal and I've been advised

2699
01:50:54,020 --> 01:50:52,530
that and I don't think that you know

2700
01:50:55,940 --> 01:50:54,030
screaming and yelling about something

2701
01:50:57,950 --> 01:50:55,950
called disclosure and claiming that the

2702
01:50:59,840 --> 01:50:57,960
ETS are here is going to get us anywhere

2703
01:51:02,510 --> 01:50:59,850
it hasn't yet and I don't think it will

2704
01:51:04,130 --> 01:51:02,520
in the future either and I think this is

2705
01:51:07,070 --> 01:51:04,140
a much more feasible practical

2706
01:51:08,990 --> 01:51:07,080
achievable goal well it sure makes sense

2707
01:51:11,210 --> 01:51:09,000
from a public relations standpoint to

2708
01:51:13,370 --> 01:51:11,220
the more that the government goes into

2709
01:51:16,660 --> 01:51:13,380
denial the louder and more shrill the uh

2710
01:51:20,720 --> 01:51:16,670
you know the disclosure Exopolitics

2711
01:51:23,000 --> 01:51:20,730
wackos well I was trying to be kind Jean

2712
01:51:24,410 --> 01:51:23,010
but no no this is the power cast we are

2713
01:51:27,200 --> 01:51:24,420
not politically correct here

2714
01:51:30,650 --> 01:51:27,210
well the louder and more shrill the

2715
01:51:33,710 --> 01:51:30,660
wackos seem to get so I think a some

2716
01:51:36,200 --> 01:51:33,720
sort of official recognition of the

2717
01:51:38,600 --> 01:51:36,210
subject at the very least and and I

2718
01:51:42,560 --> 01:51:38,610
think a small agency as you're proposing

2719
01:51:44,480 --> 01:51:42,570
would go a long way to at least show the

2720
01:51:47,150 --> 01:51:44,490
public at large that this is a real

2721
01:51:48,710 --> 01:51:47,160
issue it's not a non-issue and it would

2722
01:51:50,150 --> 01:51:48,720
give the government plausible

2723
01:51:51,470 --> 01:51:50,160
deniability for all the secret stuff

2724
01:51:53,260 --> 01:51:51,480
that they're going to be doing anyway

2725
01:51:55,670 --> 01:51:53,270
right I mean I think your point about

2726
01:51:58,010 --> 01:51:55,680
it's an acknowledgement that there is a

2727
01:52:00,140 --> 01:51:58,020
subject and it's worthy of investigation

2728
01:52:02,210 --> 01:52:00,150
just by the fact that they even set this

2729
01:52:05,090 --> 01:52:02,220
thing up they're acknowledging that fact

2730
01:52:07,550 --> 01:52:05,100
and to me that alone is a big

2731
01:52:08,930 --> 01:52:07,560
breakthrough because our government

2732
01:52:11,390 --> 01:52:08,940
doesn't acknowledge that at this point

2733
01:52:13,520 --> 01:52:11,400
Leslie how do we prevent that from say

2734
01:52:14,750 --> 01:52:13,530
becoming another project Bluebook well I

2735
01:52:16,820 --> 01:52:14,760
mean that's of course something that

2736
01:52:19,070 --> 01:52:16,830
everybody would want to avoid and I

2737
01:52:21,110 --> 01:52:19,080
think there is enough awareness of how

2738
01:52:22,520 --> 01:52:21,120
what the mistakes were a project

2739
01:52:24,290 --> 01:52:22,530
Bluebook there's been so much written

2740
01:52:26,390 --> 01:52:24,300
about it there's so much known about it

2741
01:52:29,060 --> 01:52:26,400
that I can't imagine if we had a board

2742
01:52:31,190 --> 01:52:29,070
of people set up to you know work

2743
01:52:33,140 --> 01:52:31,200
closely with these staffers within this

2744
01:52:35,300 --> 01:52:33,150
office which may only be one to three

2745
01:52:36,170 --> 01:52:35,310
people that were conscious of the whole

2746
01:52:37,520 --> 01:52:36,180
problem

2747
01:52:40,640 --> 01:52:37,530
in committee I think that we could be

2748
01:52:42,110 --> 01:52:40,650
very capable of overseeing this agency

2749
01:52:44,390 --> 01:52:42,120
and just not allowing that to happen

2750
01:52:46,100 --> 01:52:44,400
again hopefully we would have enough

2751
01:52:48,140 --> 01:52:46,110
people involved with the setting up of

2752
01:52:49,910 --> 01:52:48,150
the agency within our government if we

2753
01:52:51,770 --> 01:52:49,920
had something like John Podesta for

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01:52:54,290 --> 01:52:51,780
instance who could you know influence it

2755
01:52:55,850 --> 01:52:54,300
in some way we're going to put staffers

2756
01:52:58,070 --> 01:52:55,860
in there that are not interested in

2757
01:53:00,080 --> 01:52:58,080
wasting their time and doing something

2758
01:53:01,820 --> 01:53:00,090
repeating the mistakes of the past you

2759
01:53:03,950 --> 01:53:01,830
know looking at the overall picture of

2760
01:53:06,050 --> 01:53:03,960
this agency so it sounds to me like it's

2761
01:53:08,060 --> 01:53:06,060
a small collating kind of group

2762
01:53:09,950 --> 01:53:08,070
providing public information but who

2763
01:53:11,690 --> 01:53:09,960
does the investigation who funds the

2764
01:53:14,330 --> 01:53:11,700
investigation does the government take

2765
01:53:16,630 --> 01:53:14,340
in money for the Air Force and military

2766
01:53:18,830 --> 01:53:16,640
agencies do local police do it do

2767
01:53:20,510 --> 01:53:18,840
independent investigators go out to

2768
01:53:21,830 --> 01:53:20,520
check these cases well that's a very

2769
01:53:24,080 --> 01:53:21,840
good question I think of course all of

2770
01:53:25,880 --> 01:53:24,090
this has to be worked out over time but

2771
01:53:28,100 --> 01:53:25,890
if you want to look at the French model

2772
01:53:29,690 --> 01:53:28,110
I mean every case is going to be

2773
01:53:32,240 --> 01:53:29,700
different in terms of what it requires

2774
01:53:33,620 --> 01:53:32,250
to properly investigate it I think that

2775
01:53:35,270 --> 01:53:33,630
yes there will actually have to be a

2776
01:53:37,910 --> 01:53:35,280
budget for it but I don't think it would

2777
01:53:39,800 --> 01:53:37,920
be a very big one because so many so

2778
01:53:41,600 --> 01:53:39,810
many resources are already is set up

2779
01:53:43,730 --> 01:53:41,610
that need that you know that can be used

2780
01:53:47,270 --> 01:53:43,740
if there was a case to investigate such

2781
01:53:49,820 --> 01:53:47,280
as for instance in O'Hare Airport the if

2782
01:53:51,650 --> 01:53:49,830
we had this agency set up our official

2783
01:53:54,230 --> 01:53:51,660
from that agency would be able to fly to

2784
01:53:56,000 --> 01:53:54,240
O'Hare immediately talk to everybody

2785
01:53:58,100 --> 01:53:56,010
talk to all the pilots to all the

2786
01:54:00,140 --> 01:53:58,110
witnesses get access to any data that

2787
01:54:03,110 --> 01:54:00,150
was that have been accumulated during

2788
01:54:05,420 --> 01:54:03,120
the time all the radar data all the

2789
01:54:07,010 --> 01:54:05,430
voice tapes all that information because

2790
01:54:09,650 --> 01:54:07,020
this is a government official would be

2791
01:54:11,360 --> 01:54:09,660
provided and in that situation I don't

2792
01:54:13,160 --> 01:54:11,370
think it would cost a lot it would

2793
01:54:14,720 --> 01:54:13,170
depend on what kind of you know

2794
01:54:16,490 --> 01:54:14,730
resources were needed I mean it may be

2795
01:54:18,140 --> 01:54:16,500
labs that might be needed to study

2796
01:54:20,240 --> 01:54:18,150
physical evidence that would have to be

2797
01:54:21,860 --> 01:54:20,250
paid for but the labs already exists

2798
01:54:24,110 --> 01:54:21,870
they don't have to be government lab you

2799
01:54:26,480 --> 01:54:24,120
know things can be contracted out to

2800
01:54:28,520 --> 01:54:26,490
existing agencies to photographs can be

2801
01:54:30,290 --> 01:54:28,530
analyzed by the best labs in the country

2802
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:30,300
and they can be obviously there's going

2803
01:54:33,920 --> 01:54:32,010
to have to be some money involvement it

2804
01:54:35,520 --> 01:54:33,930
really doesn't have to be a lot in my

2805
01:54:38,100 --> 01:54:35,530
opinion ya know when you

2806
01:54:39,150 --> 01:54:38,110
money we spent on bailing out banks and

2807
01:54:40,710 --> 01:54:39,160
stuff

2808
01:54:42,960 --> 01:54:40,720
exactly and this is of course to get the

2809
01:54:45,120 --> 01:54:42,970
ball rolling I mean ultimately we would

2810
01:54:46,620 --> 01:54:45,130
hope for is that once this agency is set

2811
01:54:48,930 --> 01:54:46,630
up and there's a certain legitimacy

2812
01:54:51,120 --> 01:54:48,940
that's given to the subject within the

2813
01:54:53,400 --> 01:54:51,130
US government and within the US culture

2814
01:54:54,810 --> 01:54:53,410
in general then what happens is the

2815
01:54:56,880 --> 01:54:54,820
scientists start becoming more

2816
01:54:59,250 --> 01:54:56,890
interested because they say oh our

2817
01:55:01,770 --> 01:54:59,260
government says this is worthy of study

2818
01:55:03,750 --> 01:55:01,780
they set up an agency well they think

2819
01:55:05,310 --> 01:55:03,760
it's interesting okay I'm going to take

2820
01:55:07,200 --> 01:55:05,320
more of an interest in it you're going

2821
01:55:08,790 --> 01:55:07,210
to have scientists there for you know

2822
01:55:11,280 --> 01:55:08,800
applying for grants and you're going to

2823
01:55:13,230 --> 01:55:11,290
have money this agency can help release

2824
01:55:14,820 --> 01:55:13,240
funds from various scientific National

2825
01:55:16,740 --> 01:55:14,830
Science Foundation or whoever funds

2826
01:55:18,990 --> 01:55:16,750
these scientists we won against that in

2827
01:55:22,350 --> 01:55:19,000
the moment Leslie we have Leslie Kane

2828
01:55:25,200 --> 01:55:22,360
author of a new UFO book which is

2829
01:55:27,510 --> 01:55:25,210
contributed by generals pilots

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2860
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government knows way too much about your

2861
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financial affairs I continue to hear

2862
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stories of our property seizures frozen

2863
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bank accounts confiscation of stocks and

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bonds it makes me wonder if the US

2865
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2866
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2873
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02:00:22,890 --> 02:00:20,110
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2949
02:00:26,880 --> 02:00:22,900
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2950
02:00:29,490 --> 02:00:26,890
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2951
02:00:31,650 --> 02:00:29,500
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2952
02:00:33,510 --> 02:00:31,660
now I'm going to look at some of the

2953
02:00:34,680 --> 02:00:33,520
downsides here okay because I think we

2954
02:00:36,090 --> 02:00:34,690
all want some kind of intense

2955
02:00:38,100 --> 02:00:36,100
investigation to see what's going on

2956
02:00:39,780 --> 02:00:38,110
what's going to happen if they try to

2957
02:00:41,370 --> 02:00:39,790
bring up this agency right now in this

2958
02:00:42,810 --> 02:00:41,380
political climate you'll have the

2959
02:00:45,390 --> 02:00:42,820
opposition saying all those the

2960
02:00:47,400 --> 02:00:45,400
tax-and-spend liberals are trying to

2961
02:00:49,110 --> 02:00:47,410
waste our government money on flying

2962
02:00:50,730 --> 02:00:49,120
saucers how can they get away with such

2963
02:00:53,280 --> 02:00:50,740
a thing so how do you combat that is

2964
02:00:55,110 --> 02:00:53,290
this book one way that's really gonna do

2965
02:00:57,090 --> 02:00:55,120
it yeah I mean I think that you know our

2966
02:01:00,720 --> 02:00:57,100
plan is to let the book develop some

2967
02:01:02,490 --> 02:01:00,730
momentum for a while and then we you

2968
02:01:04,410 --> 02:01:02,500
know I already have people in place that

2969
02:01:06,510 --> 02:01:04,420
are willing to help try to make this

2970
02:01:09,660 --> 02:01:06,520
happen and what I've been told from my

2971
02:01:11,010 --> 02:01:09,670
people is that it first of all we made

2972
02:01:12,960 --> 02:01:11,020
the point it's not going to cost a lot

2973
02:01:13,890 --> 02:01:12,970
so I don't think that this yeah I mean

2974
02:01:15,270 --> 02:01:13,900
there are going to be certain negative

2975
02:01:16,410 --> 02:01:15,280
people who are going to come out and

2976
02:01:19,530 --> 02:01:16,420
make comments like the ones you just

2977
02:01:21,630 --> 02:01:19,540
said but the idea is to sort of be very

2978
02:01:24,390 --> 02:01:21,640
low-key about this and to sort of slip

2979
02:01:26,400 --> 02:01:24,400
it in you know within some kind of

2980
02:01:28,320 --> 02:01:26,410
budget that's being developed within a

2981
02:01:29,850 --> 02:01:28,330
certain committee you know congressional

2982
02:01:31,530 --> 02:01:29,860
committee that might oversee like

2983
02:01:33,210 --> 02:01:31,540
certain budgets within the let's say

2984
02:01:35,130 --> 02:01:33,220
Department of Defense or something and

2985
02:01:36,960 --> 02:01:35,140
you know there is student a huge amounts

2986
02:01:40,050 --> 02:01:36,970
of money and they just we just sort of

2987
02:01:42,360 --> 02:01:40,060
we get this thing worked in somehow to

2988
02:01:44,520 --> 02:01:42,370
the program and it's not going to it's

2989
02:01:46,260 --> 02:01:44,530
going to take it tiny amount of money to

2990
02:01:49,350 --> 02:01:46,270
do it and hopefully it's not going to be

2991
02:01:51,000 --> 02:01:49,360
a big deal I mean that sort of we just

2992
02:01:53,100 --> 02:01:51,010
wanted to happen quietly let's put it

2993
02:01:55,320 --> 02:01:53,110
that way and you know I can't anticipate

2994
02:01:57,540 --> 02:01:55,330
what the response is going to be is if

2995
02:01:58,770 --> 02:01:57,550
people say waste of money and fly

2996
02:02:00,480 --> 02:01:58,780
foster's well we'll just have to deal

2997
02:02:03,000 --> 02:02:00,490
with that at the time do you have a

2998
02:02:05,550 --> 02:02:03,010
budget a budget for this kind of program

2999
02:02:07,830 --> 02:02:05,560
something to say hey it's going to cost

3000
02:02:10,440 --> 02:02:07,840
this much for the office space this much

3001
02:02:11,850 --> 02:02:10,450
for personnel and for investigative

3002
02:02:14,370 --> 02:02:11,860
efforts do you have anything like that

3003
02:02:16,470 --> 02:02:14,380
no I mean Jean that's really way way

3004
02:02:18,150 --> 02:02:16,480
beyond that you know basically I sort of

3005
02:02:20,460 --> 02:02:18,160
have with some other some colleagues

3006
02:02:22,290 --> 02:02:20,470
sort of a basic kind of ground plan of

3007
02:02:24,060 --> 02:02:22,300
what we think should happen but none of

3008
02:02:25,560 --> 02:02:24,070
the details have been worked out and

3009
02:02:27,540 --> 02:02:25,570
there's lots of other people I'm sure

3010
02:02:29,670 --> 02:02:27,550
that will weigh in on it when it happens

3011
02:02:31,590 --> 02:02:29,680
and all that kind of stuff will has to

3012
02:02:33,420 --> 02:02:31,600
be worked out we're just trying to sort

3013
02:02:35,280 --> 02:02:33,430
of get that initial door open you know

3014
02:02:37,260 --> 02:02:35,290
but I probably wouldn't even be the one

3015
02:02:39,030 --> 02:02:37,270
to decide that I mean I'm not going to

3016
02:02:41,040 --> 02:02:39,040
I'm not in any position to try to figure

3017
02:02:42,690 --> 02:02:41,050
out what a budget would be but hopefully

3018
02:02:44,940 --> 02:02:42,700
the people that are you know will come

3019
02:02:46,980 --> 02:02:44,950
around at the time so really I mean we

3020
02:02:48,900 --> 02:02:46,990
have a very generalized plan that it's

3021
02:02:51,000 --> 02:02:48,910
going to require a lot of refining and

3022
02:02:52,950 --> 02:02:51,010
thought before it's actually going to be

3023
02:02:54,960 --> 02:02:52,960
able to be implemented hopefully that's

3024
02:02:56,820 --> 02:02:54,970
going to be a process it will take a

3025
02:02:58,440 --> 02:02:56,830
little time but will happen I have a

3026
02:03:01,110 --> 02:02:58,450
feeling it's going to take a really

3027
02:03:03,090 --> 02:03:01,120
spectacular multi witnessed event to

3028
02:03:05,700 --> 02:03:03,100
create the public groundswell that's

3029
02:03:08,790 --> 02:03:05,710
going to be needed to to really give

3030
02:03:10,170 --> 02:03:08,800
some sort of motivation I think to to

3031
02:03:12,570 --> 02:03:10,180
the government to take this whole

3032
02:03:13,740 --> 02:03:12,580
thing's finally take it seriously and

3033
02:03:15,930 --> 02:03:13,750
stop being in denial

3034
02:03:18,810 --> 02:03:15,940
I mean it might take a mother ship

3035
02:03:20,610 --> 02:03:18,820
landing in Red Square and Lafayette Park

3036
02:03:22,020 --> 02:03:20,620
maybe not on the White House lawn but

3037
02:03:24,510 --> 02:03:22,030
you know maybe across the street in

3038
02:03:26,880 --> 02:03:24,520
Lafayette Park that might do it I just

3039
02:03:29,040 --> 02:03:26,890
have a real problem with you know a

3040
02:03:31,890 --> 02:03:29,050
government that's been lying to us so

3041
02:03:33,720 --> 02:03:31,900
obviously to some degree for 60 years on

3042
02:03:35,820 --> 02:03:33,730
the subject and one of the things that I

3043
02:03:38,280 --> 02:03:35,830
constantly hear myself saying about the

3044
02:03:40,200 --> 02:03:38,290
disclosure pipe dream is that how could

3045
02:03:42,240 --> 02:03:40,210
you trust a government that has been

3046
02:03:44,700 --> 02:03:42,250
lying to you for 60 years even if they

3047
02:03:48,870 --> 02:03:44,710
told you the truth so I think your idea

3048
02:03:50,730 --> 02:03:48,880
of creating an official body finally but

3049
02:03:53,850 --> 02:03:50,740
you know I think modeled after the

3050
02:03:55,890 --> 02:03:53,860
French example that's going to go a long

3051
02:03:58,650 --> 02:03:55,900
way I think to finally get this subject

3052
02:04:00,870 --> 02:03:58,660
moving forward I'm off my soapbox oh gee

3053
02:04:01,950 --> 02:04:00,880
no I mean I agree and I and I have to

3054
02:04:04,500 --> 02:04:01,960
realize that a number of the

3055
02:04:07,320 --> 02:04:04,510
contributors in the book who are very

3056
02:04:09,360 --> 02:04:07,330
outspoken about this issue are people

3057
02:04:10,720 --> 02:04:09,370
that have headed up government bodies in

3058
02:04:12,040 --> 02:04:10,730
other countries

3059
02:04:13,900 --> 02:04:12,050
just because you're part of government

3060
02:04:16,960 --> 02:04:13,910
body doesn't automatically mean that you

3061
02:04:19,060 --> 02:04:16,970
you're a liar or you're hiding things or

3062
02:04:20,860 --> 02:04:19,070
you can't be trusted or you know the way

3063
02:04:22,660 --> 02:04:20,870
people tend to react I mean I really

3064
02:04:25,150 --> 02:04:22,670
believe we just have to have faith that

3065
02:04:28,210 --> 02:04:25,160
like we have in these other countries we

3066
02:04:30,640 --> 02:04:28,220
can get staffers in the American agency

3067
02:04:33,520 --> 02:04:30,650
working with people outside that agency

3068
02:04:34,930 --> 02:04:33,530
very closely also that that can rise to

3069
02:04:36,670 --> 02:04:34,940
the occasion just the way they have in

3070
02:04:38,500 --> 02:04:36,680
other countries and the thing about a

3071
02:04:41,350 --> 02:04:38,510
major event like you said yeah that

3072
02:04:42,850 --> 02:04:41,360
would be pretty spectacular but we can't

3073
02:04:45,760 --> 02:04:42,860
wait around for that yeah I'm not

3074
02:04:47,890 --> 02:04:45,770
holding my breath and you know there is

3075
02:04:50,440 --> 02:04:47,900
the element that was a lot of people

3076
02:04:52,840 --> 02:04:50,450
concerned about of national security and

3077
02:04:55,300 --> 02:04:52,850
aviation safety problems and if there

3078
02:04:57,820 --> 02:04:55,310
was some event where let's say something

3079
02:04:59,650 --> 02:04:57,830
like you said some spectacular thing was

3080
02:05:01,180 --> 02:04:59,660
really close to the ground or did

3081
02:05:03,430 --> 02:05:01,190
something different that it's never done

3082
02:05:05,830 --> 02:05:03,440
before we have no way of knowing how our

3083
02:05:07,870 --> 02:05:05,840
defense system is going to respond to

3084
02:05:10,090 --> 02:05:07,880
that because nobody's trained nobody's

3085
02:05:13,150 --> 02:05:10,100
prepared and so there's a risk involved

3086
02:05:15,160 --> 02:05:13,160
and not getting something in place where

3087
02:05:16,840 --> 02:05:15,170
you know we can be a little more

3088
02:05:20,560 --> 02:05:16,850
prepared and more and less ignorant

3089
02:05:22,840 --> 02:05:20,570
where we can become informed about what

3090
02:05:24,820 --> 02:05:22,850
may lie ahead so that we don't react in

3091
02:05:26,830 --> 02:05:24,830
some kind of knee-jerk way that that is

3092
02:05:28,600 --> 02:05:26,840
is dangerous and counterproductive which

3093
02:05:30,820 --> 02:05:28,610
is what the risk is of course you've

3094
02:05:32,380 --> 02:05:30,830
also had what more than 60 years of UFOs

3095
02:05:34,780 --> 02:05:32,390
and we go back through history maybe

3096
02:05:37,450 --> 02:05:34,790
hundreds or thousands of years of UFOs

3097
02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:37,460
so we could look at the downside saying

3098
02:05:42,100 --> 02:05:40,010
well why bother I mean they're not doing

3099
02:05:43,450 --> 02:05:42,110
anything to harm us just let it happen

3100
02:05:44,920 --> 02:05:43,460
that's another I mean a lot of people

3101
02:05:47,229 --> 02:05:44,930
within I think it's a legitimate

3102
02:05:48,490 --> 02:05:47,239
question really is the question of you

3103
02:05:50,560 --> 02:05:48,500
know why should this why is this

3104
02:05:52,930 --> 02:05:50,570
important why should we spend even an

3105
02:05:55,000 --> 02:05:52,940
ounce of time on this given all the

3106
02:05:56,110 --> 02:05:55,010
problems we face in the world and there

3107
02:05:58,030 --> 02:05:56,120
are problems that are only going to be

3108
02:05:59,229 --> 02:05:58,040
getting worse over time and I think

3109
02:06:02,200 --> 02:05:59,239
probably I think that's a legitimate

3110
02:06:03,850 --> 02:06:02,210
position to take I mean I don't happen

3111
02:06:05,860 --> 02:06:03,860
to agree with it because I know enough

3112
02:06:08,260 --> 02:06:05,870
about this phenomenon to believe that

3113
02:06:10,170 --> 02:06:08,270
the discovery of this could be a very

3114
02:06:12,970 --> 02:06:10,180
transformative event for our

3115
02:06:15,729 --> 02:06:12,980
civilization in our world because it

3116
02:06:18,430 --> 02:06:15,739
could change the way we view who we are

3117
02:06:20,170 --> 02:06:18,440
and so one doesn't can't anticipate the

3118
02:06:22,600 --> 02:06:20,180
implications that that might have for

3119
02:06:23,830 --> 02:06:22,610
all aspects of our of how we live our

3120
02:06:25,540 --> 02:06:23,840
lives and our the way

3121
02:06:28,120 --> 02:06:25,550
society is structured or who knows what

3122
02:06:29,590 --> 02:06:28,130
but once you know once you get the

3123
02:06:31,630 --> 02:06:29,600
knowledge to understand that there's

3124
02:06:33,340 --> 02:06:31,640
something really going on here it's I

3125
02:06:34,750 --> 02:06:33,350
don't see how one can turn you know how

3126
02:06:37,210 --> 02:06:34,760
you can turn your back on something that

3127
02:06:39,250 --> 02:06:37,220
could be so explosive if it was ever

3128
02:06:40,690 --> 02:06:39,260
properly investigated and really really

3129
02:06:42,520 --> 02:06:40,700
I mean it has been investigate I don't

3130
02:06:44,560 --> 02:06:42,530
mean to diminish all the great work

3131
02:06:47,590 --> 02:06:44,570
that's been done on this by people but I

3132
02:06:50,260 --> 02:06:47,600
mean really taken upon a large

3133
02:06:52,150 --> 02:06:50,270
scientific community internationally to

3134
02:06:54,040 --> 02:06:52,160
become proactive and to decide they're

3135
02:06:56,320 --> 02:06:54,050
going to find out a lot more about it

3136
02:06:58,720 --> 02:06:56,330
that could really change our perceptions

3137
02:07:00,190 --> 02:06:58,730
of who we are and what life is and

3138
02:07:01,750 --> 02:07:00,200
everything else so I don't think it's

3139
02:07:04,270 --> 02:07:01,760
something that can be it should be

3140
02:07:06,550 --> 02:07:04,280
minimized the alternative here would be

3141
02:07:09,010 --> 02:07:06,560
to maybe get a grant from one of these

3142
02:07:10,870 --> 02:07:09,020
very rich people like we know for

3143
02:07:13,150 --> 02:07:10,880
example that many of the billionaires

3144
02:07:15,850 --> 02:07:13,160
are going to be giving away a large

3145
02:07:18,340 --> 02:07:15,860
portion of their wealth to charity Bill

3146
02:07:20,710 --> 02:07:18,350
Gates Warren Buffett people like that

3147
02:07:22,960 --> 02:07:20,720
what about going to private industry and

3148
02:07:25,120 --> 02:07:22,970
saying hey give us a few million we can

3149
02:07:27,670 --> 02:07:25,130
set up the office maybe hire a few

3150
02:07:30,580 --> 02:07:27,680
investigators and do it that way not

3151
02:07:32,770 --> 02:07:30,590
like as they say a low-budget UFO

3152
02:07:34,900 --> 02:07:32,780
investigative body with volunteers like

3153
02:07:36,640 --> 02:07:34,910
a mew phone not to attack me fine i'm

3154
02:07:38,830 --> 02:07:36,650
sure everyone who works with them is

3155
02:07:41,290 --> 02:07:38,840
very dedicated but something that has

3156
02:07:43,210 --> 02:07:41,300
enough money behind it to really do

3157
02:07:45,130 --> 02:07:43,220
something forget about the government's

3158
02:07:47,680 --> 02:07:45,140
yeah I mean that's I think that that's

3159
02:07:49,330 --> 02:07:47,690
the other option I mean ideally you'd

3160
02:07:50,800 --> 02:07:49,340
want to have it be within the government

3161
02:07:53,020 --> 02:07:50,810
because then it has the official

3162
02:07:55,960 --> 02:07:53,030
recognition it has that state official

3163
02:07:58,240 --> 02:07:55,970
stamp as a dementia put that it becomes

3164
02:08:00,220 --> 02:07:58,250
part of the official structure and it

3165
02:08:01,660 --> 02:08:00,230
can interact with other governments but

3166
02:08:02,800 --> 02:08:01,670
you know if that's an absolute

3167
02:08:04,930 --> 02:08:02,810
impossibility

3168
02:08:07,840 --> 02:08:04,940
you know yes if you can get somebody to

3169
02:08:10,000 --> 02:08:07,850
fund a non-profit an NGO type of

3170
02:08:12,130 --> 02:08:10,010
organization again if it's outside the

3171
02:08:14,350 --> 02:08:12,140
government you know it's not going to be

3172
02:08:17,260 --> 02:08:14,360
able to accomplish the same level I

3173
02:08:19,990 --> 02:08:17,270
don't think of you know work in terms of

3174
02:08:21,940 --> 02:08:20,000
accessing funding for scientists from

3175
02:08:23,080 --> 02:08:21,950
government agencies and all the things

3176
02:08:24,670 --> 02:08:23,090
that go on when you're part of the

3177
02:08:26,560 --> 02:08:24,680
government structure but make it even

3178
02:08:27,550 --> 02:08:26,570
both happen okay I tell you what we'll

3179
02:08:29,710 --> 02:08:27,560
get into this in a moment

3180
02:08:31,690 --> 02:08:29,720
Leslie Cain author of in the UFO book

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02:08:32,910 --> 02:08:31,700
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02:08:43,230 --> 02:08:32,920
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3184
02:08:48,570 --> 02:08:46,210
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3185
02:08:51,410 --> 02:08:48,580
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3186
02:08:54,180 --> 02:08:51,420
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Leslie cane joining us for two more

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is Chris O'Brien during the power cast

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and we were talking about you know

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whether it would be feasible to have

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private agency do this I'm not thinking

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of something with 1020 or $100,000 but

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if it doesn't happen with a million sure

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bill Gates can hand you a billion

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dollars without taking a breath warren

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buffett maybe if those people gave you a

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huge sum of money it would have to be

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taken seriously Pollyanna and not me but

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02:13:33,390 --> 02:13:31,510
they would be given to some kind of an

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02:13:35,400 --> 02:13:33,400
organization that would there would be a

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02:13:38,250 --> 02:13:35,410
scientifically based organization that

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would you know provide I guess I assume

3294
02:13:42,360 --> 02:13:40,090
grants to scientists and try to pull the

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02:13:43,590 --> 02:13:42,370
scientific community in and of course

3296
02:13:45,390 --> 02:13:43,600
that would be a wonderful thing is you

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02:13:47,910 --> 02:13:45,400
can go direct to the scientists and

3298
02:13:51,210 --> 02:13:47,920
bypass the government I think that's

3299
02:13:53,400 --> 02:13:51,220
that's that's a feasible option and that

3300
02:13:55,950 --> 02:13:53,410
the scientists once they became more

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02:13:57,320 --> 02:13:55,960
involved and you know the whole thing

3302
02:13:59,930 --> 02:13:57,330
became

3303
02:14:02,000 --> 02:13:59,940
more legit then ultimately the

3304
02:14:03,710 --> 02:14:02,010
government would come along anyway so

3305
02:14:05,150 --> 02:14:03,720
you know two about the two writers in

3306
02:14:08,060 --> 02:14:05,160
the book that wrote the piece about the

3307
02:14:09,590 --> 02:14:08,070
UFO taboo dr. Wendt and Duvall the two

3308
02:14:12,290 --> 02:14:09,600
political scientists who wrote this

3309
02:14:14,450 --> 02:14:12,300
piece for my book very much believe that

3310
02:14:16,540 --> 02:14:14,460
that's they very very much behind the

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02:14:19,130 --> 02:14:16,550
NGO idea that you just proposed and

3312
02:14:21,740 --> 02:14:19,140
they've thought a lot about it and put

3313
02:14:23,270 --> 02:14:21,750
out some ideas about how that could

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02:14:26,060 --> 02:14:23,280
happen and what the group could do and

3315
02:14:27,770 --> 02:14:26,070
so on so I think it's it's a very of

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02:14:28,760 --> 02:14:27,780
course it's a very valid and interesting

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02:14:30,650 --> 02:14:28,770
approach as well

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02:14:32,780 --> 02:14:30,660
well one things you have with that is

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02:14:34,520 --> 02:14:32,790
you wouldn't have the borders of the

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02:14:36,200 --> 02:14:34,530
government and restrictions because of

3321
02:14:38,900 --> 02:14:36,210
the fact that the US government doesn't

3322
02:14:41,330 --> 02:14:38,910
want to sacrifice national security so

3323
02:14:43,760 --> 02:14:41,340
let's not talk to heck let's not talk to

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02:14:45,740 --> 02:14:43,770
the British forget about not talking to

3325
02:14:47,360 --> 02:14:45,750
the Russians or Saudi Arabia or

3326
02:14:49,070 --> 02:14:47,370
something they won't even talk to the

3327
02:14:51,410 --> 02:14:49,080
British if there's security concerns but

3328
02:14:53,480 --> 02:14:51,420
if you're a non-government organisation

3329
02:14:55,670 --> 02:14:53,490
you don't have that limitation you can

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02:14:57,830 --> 02:14:55,680
contact scientists anywhere around the

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02:15:00,050 --> 02:14:57,840
globe and recruit them and get work done

3332
02:15:01,790 --> 02:15:00,060
well that's true but the other hand you

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02:15:02,960 --> 02:15:01,800
don't have any access the government

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02:15:04,790 --> 02:15:02,970
officials have you're not going to have

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02:15:06,800 --> 02:15:04,800
access to all this official data you

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02:15:08,840 --> 02:15:06,810
know within 24 hours say it O'Hare

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02:15:11,120 --> 02:15:08,850
Airport if you walk in there and your

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02:15:13,340 --> 02:15:11,130
scientist if your government official

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02:15:16,130 --> 02:15:13,350
you can get everything you need to

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02:15:17,960 --> 02:15:16,140
investigate a case quickly and so that's

3341
02:15:19,610 --> 02:15:17,970
that's the advantage that the government

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02:15:21,290 --> 02:15:19,620
agency has you know they're part of the

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02:15:23,120 --> 02:15:21,300
official system that can demand whatever

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02:15:25,250 --> 02:15:23,130
they want so I mean there's I think this

3345
02:15:27,560 --> 02:15:25,260
pros and cons to both both sides of that

3346
02:15:29,750 --> 02:15:27,570
looking at the conspiratorial theory

3347
02:15:31,820 --> 02:15:29,760
let's say the government knows a lot

3348
02:15:33,470 --> 02:15:31,830
about this certainly it's been running

3349
02:15:36,140 --> 02:15:33,480
around there have been investigations

3350
02:15:38,240 --> 02:15:36,150
for a lot of years is it possible that

3351
02:15:40,010 --> 02:15:38,250
they are planning a gradual revelation

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02:15:43,070 --> 02:15:40,020
of this just as we learn for example

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02:15:45,500 --> 02:15:43,080
there are more earth-like planets around

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02:15:47,870 --> 02:15:45,510
the universe we discovered that we

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02:15:50,690 --> 02:15:47,880
discover the life in the Martian

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02:15:53,000 --> 02:15:50,700
meteorites etc etc there's water on the

3357
02:15:54,950 --> 02:15:53,010
moon there's water on Mars how many more

3358
02:15:58,310 --> 02:15:54,960
steps would it take could be part of a

3359
02:16:01,400 --> 02:15:58,320
gradual I won't say disclosure a gradual

3360
02:16:02,450 --> 02:16:01,410
awareness yeah now when you say they are

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02:16:04,760 --> 02:16:02,460
planning something

3362
02:16:05,430 --> 02:16:04,770
I'm just curious who this day is I would

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02:16:07,380 --> 02:16:05,440
assume they

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02:16:09,450 --> 02:16:07,390
government that there are people in the

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02:16:10,770 --> 02:16:09,460
government who maybe are aware of what's

3366
02:16:13,080 --> 02:16:10,780
going on I can't think they're that

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02:16:15,060 --> 02:16:13,090
stupid there have to be military people

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02:16:16,800 --> 02:16:15,070
who have all this evidence especially if

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02:16:17,970 --> 02:16:16,810
a lot of it's been disclosed and they

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02:16:19,890 --> 02:16:17,980
have to say you know what we've got to

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02:16:22,740 --> 02:16:19,900
have a plan maybe there is a plan afoot

3372
02:16:24,990 --> 02:16:22,750
but they're not telling you you don't

3373
02:16:28,020 --> 02:16:25,000
have to know it you think it's feasible

3374
02:16:30,360 --> 02:16:28,030
that this this this group within the

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02:16:32,070 --> 02:16:30,370
government really has the ability to

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02:16:34,950 --> 02:16:32,080
impact you know all the things in the

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02:16:37,259 --> 02:16:34,960
culture and the media and I mean I I

3378
02:16:39,750 --> 02:16:37,269
don't know I just you know when I hear

3379
02:16:42,209 --> 02:16:39,760
things like that I tend to back away and

3380
02:16:44,280 --> 02:16:42,219
not think that that that's likely what's

3381
02:16:45,690 --> 02:16:44,290
going on I taste oh what do they know

3382
02:16:47,640 --> 02:16:45,700
what do they know are they just totally

3383
02:16:50,040 --> 02:16:47,650
ignorant of what's going on they just

3384
02:16:52,950 --> 02:16:50,050
want to sweep it under the rug hey how

3385
02:16:54,810 --> 02:16:52,960
you define does a being government let's

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02:16:57,780 --> 02:16:54,820
talk about US government when we define

3387
02:16:59,879 --> 02:16:57,790
they let's assume that our term refers

3388
02:17:01,709 --> 02:16:59,889
to people within the government after

3389
02:17:04,469 --> 02:17:01,719
all these years when they know something

3390
02:17:05,940 --> 02:17:04,479
well I think some of them probably do I

3391
02:17:07,500 --> 02:17:05,950
think most of them don't

3392
02:17:09,570 --> 02:17:07,510
I don't let's leave it if you're talking

3393
02:17:12,179 --> 02:17:09,580
about elected members of Congress say

3394
02:17:13,500 --> 02:17:12,189
well that's it goes without saying they

3395
02:17:16,799 --> 02:17:13,510
don't know what's going on I'm talking

3396
02:17:19,980 --> 02:17:16,809
about military more than those uoz yeah

3397
02:17:21,570 --> 02:17:19,990
you know the people who are life termers

3398
02:17:22,799 --> 02:17:21,580
not just the bureaucrats but the

3399
02:17:25,020 --> 02:17:22,809
military the people have been working

3400
02:17:27,270 --> 02:17:25,030
there for decades confronted with all

3401
02:17:29,459 --> 02:17:27,280
this information yeah I mean I don't

3402
02:17:31,020 --> 02:17:29,469
know Jean I mean I assume that some of

3403
02:17:33,959 --> 02:17:31,030
them I really don't know the answer that

3404
02:17:36,240 --> 02:17:33,969
question I mean I've explored that in

3405
02:17:37,860 --> 02:17:36,250
the book that you know the both sides of

3406
02:17:39,600 --> 02:17:37,870
the question of whether there's a secret

3407
02:17:42,030 --> 02:17:39,610
program and a cover-up and how much they

3408
02:17:44,219 --> 02:17:42,040
mean I gotta get more of those people

3409
02:17:45,600 --> 02:17:44,229
that know something obviously I gotta

3410
02:17:47,490 --> 02:17:45,610
get them to come forward if there are

3411
02:17:49,410 --> 02:17:47,500
those people one of the things that I

3412
02:17:53,040 --> 02:17:49,420
really appreciated in your book was

3413
02:17:55,950 --> 02:17:53,050
chapter 25 by 5 Symington who did

3414
02:17:58,169 --> 02:17:55,960
something very rare in this field for a

3415
02:18:01,740 --> 02:17:58,179
public official he actually did a Mia

3416
02:18:03,509 --> 02:18:01,750
Copa and of course long this is for the

3417
02:18:04,919 --> 02:18:03,519
para cast know about about the story

3418
02:18:07,740 --> 02:18:04,929
why'd she give us a little thumbnail

3419
02:18:10,350 --> 02:18:07,750
sketch of Fife Symington role in the

3420
02:18:12,360 --> 02:18:10,360
Phoenix license I agree that it's a very

3421
02:18:15,150 --> 02:18:12,370
unusual story because he's been on both

3422
02:18:17,259 --> 02:18:15,160
sides he's been one of the the people in

3423
02:18:19,750 --> 02:18:17,269
the government hiding it and Riddick

3424
02:18:22,629 --> 02:18:19,760
doing it and now he's done the slip and

3425
02:18:25,149 --> 02:18:22,639
is on the opposite side and you know in

3426
02:18:26,709 --> 02:18:25,159
case people don't know his name SSO

3427
02:18:30,370 --> 02:18:26,719
interesting he knows both sides of the

3428
02:18:32,679 --> 02:18:30,380
fence intimately and he is of course a

3429
02:18:34,990 --> 02:18:32,689
proponent for obviously for change in

3430
02:18:36,849 --> 02:18:35,000
government as a result but people

3431
02:18:38,649 --> 02:18:36,859
probably know the story that back in

3432
02:18:42,099 --> 02:18:38,659
1997 during the Phoenix lights incident

3433
02:18:44,049 --> 02:18:42,109
he was the governor and he held what he

3434
02:18:45,879 --> 02:18:44,059
called his spoof press conference which

3435
02:18:48,250 --> 02:18:45,889
everybody was so upset about where this

3436
02:18:50,729 --> 02:18:48,260
is chief of staff came into the press

3437
02:18:53,379 --> 02:18:50,739
conference dressed up with an alien and

3438
02:18:55,240 --> 02:18:53,389
he said something like and I'm going to

3439
02:18:57,540 --> 02:18:55,250
we're going to explain this incident and

3440
02:19:00,580 --> 02:18:57,550
you know you're all taking it much too

3441
02:19:03,129 --> 02:19:00,590
much too seriously and they laughed and

3442
02:19:05,429 --> 02:19:03,139
and people were very upset by this at

3443
02:19:08,439 --> 02:19:05,439
the time of you for obvious reasons and

3444
02:19:10,299 --> 02:19:08,449
he came out you know years later 10

3445
02:19:11,709 --> 02:19:10,309
years later actually and acknowledged

3446
02:19:16,299 --> 02:19:11,719
that he had actually seen the thing

3447
02:19:19,029 --> 02:19:16,309
himself the object and has become since

3448
02:19:21,759 --> 02:19:19,039
a really outspoken advocate for change

3449
02:19:24,069 --> 02:19:21,769
within the government and he talks a lot

3450
02:19:25,689 --> 02:19:24,079
in the book he's written his own piece

3451
02:19:27,790 --> 02:19:25,699
as you mentioned but I also have a lot

3452
02:19:29,950 --> 02:19:27,800
out and a lot of material I've included

3453
02:19:32,500 --> 02:19:29,960
based on interviews with in recent

3454
02:19:33,729 --> 02:19:32,510
interviews that were he talks about what

3455
02:19:36,399 --> 02:19:33,739
it was like for him to be in that

3456
02:19:38,169 --> 02:19:36,409
position as governor and why he has

3457
02:19:40,029 --> 02:19:38,179
changed and what how he sees it

3458
02:19:42,189 --> 02:19:40,039
differently now and it's a really

3459
02:19:44,080 --> 02:19:42,199
interesting story I mean it's very rare

3460
02:19:47,859 --> 02:19:44,090
as where you're going to have a

3461
02:19:49,450 --> 02:19:47,869
government official that is as open as

3462
02:19:51,910 --> 02:19:49,460
he is and it has the kind of turnaround

3463
02:19:54,849 --> 02:19:51,920
that he has had we know of course also

3464
02:19:57,040 --> 02:19:54,859
we have to be fair about 5 Symington his

3465
02:19:58,990 --> 02:19:57,050
departure as governor of Arizona was not

3466
02:20:00,880 --> 02:19:59,000
done under the best of circumstances I

3467
02:20:02,800 --> 02:20:00,890
guess he's lifted down he was pardoned

3468
02:20:06,309 --> 02:20:02,810
officially and everything but he did

3469
02:20:08,889 --> 02:20:06,319
have a problem right ok so what does

3470
02:20:11,620 --> 02:20:08,899
that impact at all his credibility in

3471
02:20:14,439 --> 02:20:11,630
standing because he had that problem

3472
02:20:17,319 --> 02:20:14,449
that got him out of office it doesn't in

3473
02:20:18,939 --> 02:20:17,329
my in my opinion as because of the the

3474
02:20:20,590 --> 02:20:18,949
interviews I've been with him and the

3475
02:20:23,950 --> 02:20:20,600
people I've talked to in Arizona about

3476
02:20:26,620 --> 02:20:23,960
the politics of that state and what what

3477
02:20:29,740 --> 02:20:26,630
kind of things go on in terms of you

3478
02:20:30,581 --> 02:20:29,750
know the political infighting that goes

3479
02:20:32,801 --> 02:20:30,591
on in there is

3480
02:20:34,570 --> 02:20:32,811
and I'm not going to comment on all the

3481
02:20:36,070 --> 02:20:34,580
details of what happened you know it

3482
02:20:37,961 --> 02:20:36,080
doesn't matter I know that I live in

3483
02:20:39,251 --> 02:20:37,971
Arizona there's a lot of weird stuff

3484
02:20:44,291 --> 02:20:39,261
that goes on here we are

3485
02:20:46,600 --> 02:20:44,301
oh boy he may have made some mistakes I

3486
02:20:47,890 --> 02:20:46,610
don't know I think that five Symington

3487
02:20:52,451 --> 02:20:47,900
the man that I know has a lot of

3488
02:20:53,921 --> 02:20:52,461
integrity and is very honest and I don't

3489
02:20:55,390 --> 02:20:53,931
feel that that has anything to do with

3490
02:20:57,581 --> 02:20:55,400
what he's talking about here

3491
02:20:59,440 --> 02:20:57,591
quite honestly now as a former governor

3492
02:21:01,810 --> 02:20:59,450
has he been able to influence his fellow

3493
02:21:03,761 --> 02:21:01,820
governor's to look at this issue well I

3494
02:21:05,501 --> 02:21:03,771
mean he that's a good question he does

3495
02:21:07,570 --> 02:21:05,511
have a lot of friends and political

3496
02:21:09,491 --> 02:21:07,580
places he does talk about this but I

3497
02:21:11,020 --> 02:21:09,501
think he's really been waiting for this

3498
02:21:13,081 --> 02:21:11,030
book to come out and because it's sort

3499
02:21:16,451 --> 02:21:13,091
of like something material that can be

3500
02:21:18,640 --> 02:21:16,461
handed to people and used and people can

3501
02:21:20,980 --> 02:21:18,650
read it and get a new perspective on

3502
02:21:23,320 --> 02:21:20,990
things so he's going to be become much

3503
02:21:25,541 --> 02:21:23,330
more active you know in the next year

3504
02:21:28,031 --> 02:21:25,551
when we start really moving forward with

3505
02:21:29,350 --> 02:21:28,041
this before until now he's basically and

3506
02:21:32,381 --> 02:21:29,360
he did the press conference with us in

3507
02:21:34,690 --> 02:21:32,391
2007 and he's been fairly quiet since

3508
02:21:37,001 --> 02:21:34,700
you know waiting for the book and he but

3509
02:21:39,161 --> 02:21:37,011
talking to people privately but nothing

3510
02:21:41,261 --> 02:21:39,171
beyond that at this point but that's

3511
02:21:43,600 --> 02:21:41,271
going to change so with the book out

3512
02:21:45,371 --> 02:21:43,610
with circulation increasing as you do

3513
02:21:47,291 --> 02:21:45,381
more and more public appearances on

3514
02:21:48,701 --> 02:21:47,301
different radio and TV shows are you

3515
02:21:51,640 --> 02:21:48,711
going to bring people like a five

3516
02:21:55,390 --> 02:21:51,650
Symington with you yeah if they if they

3517
02:21:57,520 --> 02:21:55,400
are asked to be absolutely like he he's

3518
02:21:59,201 --> 02:21:57,530
willing to participate as are many of

3519
02:22:03,070 --> 02:21:59,211
the other people what do you got among

3520
02:22:04,390 --> 02:22:03,080
our cast with you yeah I I would think

3521
02:22:06,730 --> 02:22:04,400
so okay

3522
02:22:08,470 --> 02:22:06,740
what's that make the request make the

3523
02:22:10,871 --> 02:22:08,480
request and then you know we can see

3524
02:22:12,400 --> 02:22:10,881
what we can do okay we'll look at that

3525
02:22:14,560 --> 02:22:12,410
by the way we have Leslie Kane

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she's offer a book called UFOs generals

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pilots and government officials go on

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3529
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maybe some of you have heard some of you

3530
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have not heard our co-host is Chris

3531
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O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg for one more

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3645
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you've entered another dimension Leslie

3646
02:27:29,310 --> 02:27:27,010
Kane joining us for our final visit for

3647
02:27:31,139 --> 02:27:29,320
this week's session Chris O'Brien's the

3648
02:27:34,170 --> 02:27:31,149
co-host I'm gene steinberger in the

3649
02:27:35,969 --> 02:27:34,180
power cast so let's look at in the next

3650
02:27:38,700 --> 02:27:35,979
10 minutes or so what's going to happen

3651
02:27:40,590 --> 02:27:38,710
the next year the book on the stands you

3652
02:27:42,750 --> 02:27:40,600
make the public appearances what sort of

3653
02:27:45,480 --> 02:27:42,760
work are you going to do to try to as

3654
02:27:48,900 --> 02:27:45,490
they spread the word get the efforts

3655
02:27:51,540 --> 02:27:48,910
going yeah I mean you know the work

3656
02:27:54,120 --> 02:27:51,550
initially is to just get some some kind

3657
02:27:56,099 --> 02:27:54,130
of momentum going on this issue in terms

3658
02:27:59,190 --> 02:27:56,109
of it establishing a new level of

3659
02:28:02,219 --> 02:27:59,200
credibility and acceptance you know in

3660
02:28:03,630 --> 02:28:02,229
the mainstream and that's an important

3661
02:28:05,370 --> 02:28:03,640
component but what I'm really most

3662
02:28:07,349 --> 02:28:05,380
interested in is the work that follows

3663
02:28:09,270 --> 02:28:07,359
that which has to do with putting into

3664
02:28:11,910 --> 02:28:09,280
effect the goals that we outline in the

3665
02:28:14,130 --> 02:28:11,920
book which basically is what we've been

3666
02:28:17,160 --> 02:28:14,140
discussing getting this little small

3667
02:28:18,570 --> 02:28:17,170
government body set up if we can and

3668
02:28:20,730 --> 02:28:18,580
we're going to try very hard to do it

3669
02:28:24,389 --> 02:28:20,740
that's really the work that's important

3670
02:28:27,150 --> 02:28:24,399
and you know we'll start will take place

3671
02:28:29,040 --> 02:28:27,160
in the next year or two I think the

3672
02:28:32,099 --> 02:28:29,050
momentum is important because it does

3673
02:28:34,740 --> 02:28:32,109
draw it gives the book attention and

3674
02:28:37,260 --> 02:28:34,750
that's important in terms of you know

3675
02:28:39,090 --> 02:28:37,270
being able to affect change but I'm

3676
02:28:40,530 --> 02:28:39,100
really most interested in in the

3677
02:28:43,290 --> 02:28:40,540
structural change that we hope to

3678
02:28:44,790 --> 02:28:43,300
accomplish in Washington and how that

3679
02:28:46,620 --> 02:28:44,800
will go about you know we'll be meeting

3680
02:28:51,240 --> 02:28:46,630
with various people who will help guide

3681
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us into into the right structure in the

3682
02:28:56,280 --> 02:28:53,890
right location for this agency and then

3683
02:28:58,290 --> 02:28:56,290
the right committee and then the right

3684
02:29:00,210 --> 02:28:58,300
you know bill where it might be able to

3685
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be added into a budget and that kind of

3686
02:29:02,580 --> 02:29:02,200
thing it's all very just a lot of stuff

3687
02:29:06,810 --> 02:29:02,590
like that

3688
02:29:08,190 --> 02:29:06,820
that has to be handled and might take

3689
02:29:10,200 --> 02:29:08,200
some time but you know that's that's

3690
02:29:12,750 --> 02:29:10,210
really the goal the ultimate goal of

3691
02:29:14,849 --> 02:29:12,760
this whole thing are there any plans for

3692
02:29:16,800 --> 02:29:14,859
a follow-up press conference similar to

3693
02:29:20,639 --> 02:29:16,810
the ones that you and James Fox did in

3694
02:29:22,889 --> 02:29:20,649
2007 I don't know because um you know

3695
02:29:25,410 --> 02:29:22,899
but I I don't want to just do a repeat

3696
02:29:27,090 --> 02:29:25,420
if something we've already done and it's

3697
02:29:29,000 --> 02:29:27,100
also a very expensive thing to do

3698
02:29:31,139 --> 02:29:29,010
because you've got to fly in people and

3699
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put them up and everything I mean if

3700
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somebody wanted to provide a budget for

3701
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something like that and somebody wanted

3702
02:29:39,660 --> 02:29:37,810
to organize it that would be great but

3703
02:29:43,320 --> 02:29:39,670
it's that's something that I have the

3704
02:29:45,599 --> 02:29:43,330
resources to do on my own so we'll just

3705
02:29:48,000 --> 02:29:45,609
see won't see what happens once the word

3706
02:29:51,810 --> 02:29:48,010
gets around I don't know well I think

3707
02:29:54,660 --> 02:29:51,820
your book is is sorely needed in this

3708
02:29:56,190 --> 02:29:54,670
field in terms of trying to get as you

3709
02:29:58,679 --> 02:29:56,200
mentioned that the outside of the show

3710
02:30:00,660 --> 02:29:58,689
trying to get people who normally would

3711
02:30:02,639 --> 02:30:00,670
not take an interest in this subject

3712
02:30:04,550 --> 02:30:02,649
because of the woowoo factor because of

3713
02:30:06,780 --> 02:30:04,560
a lot of the disinformation in an

3714
02:30:08,219 --> 02:30:06,790
uncritical thinking that's out there in

3715
02:30:11,460 --> 02:30:08,229
the field I think this book is going to

3716
02:30:13,469 --> 02:30:11,470
go a long way in bringing people who are

3717
02:30:15,719 --> 02:30:13,479
who were skeptical but open-minded who

3718
02:30:18,570 --> 02:30:15,729
would normally not deal with this

3719
02:30:21,870 --> 02:30:18,580
subject I think your book is is very

3720
02:30:23,360 --> 02:30:21,880
well conceptualized I in its scope and I

3721
02:30:26,700 --> 02:30:23,370
think you've really done a good job

3722
02:30:28,230 --> 02:30:26,710
bringing very very credible people from

3723
02:30:31,320 --> 02:30:28,240
the highest levels of the military and

3724
02:30:33,060 --> 02:30:31,330
government together any plans in the

3725
02:30:34,230 --> 02:30:33,070
future for a follow-up book you

3726
02:30:36,150 --> 02:30:34,240
mentioned possibly doing one with

3727
02:30:38,130 --> 02:30:36,160
scientists involved

3728
02:30:40,550 --> 02:30:38,140
you mentioned Peter Sturrock for

3729
02:30:42,870 --> 02:30:40,560
instance in there in the stroke report

3730
02:30:45,330 --> 02:30:42,880
have you thought given any thought of

3731
02:30:47,760 --> 02:30:45,340
doing a follow-up to this work using the

3732
02:30:49,500 --> 02:30:47,770
same type of approach well Chris that's

3733
02:30:52,260 --> 02:30:49,510
very kind of you to even suggest that

3734
02:30:54,210 --> 02:30:52,270
that but I mean I just finished this one

3735
02:30:56,340 --> 02:30:54,220
and I've been so hard and so

3736
02:30:58,200 --> 02:30:56,350
overwhelming to get it done that I can't

3737
02:31:01,620 --> 02:30:58,210
even think about it right now anything

3738
02:31:03,551 --> 02:31:01,630
you need a vacation well yeah I guess so

3739
02:31:05,591 --> 02:31:03,561
I'm not going to get one but

3740
02:31:07,390 --> 02:31:05,601
the next step is to just deal with the

3741
02:31:10,031 --> 02:31:07,400
the what's going to happen as a result

3742
02:31:11,951 --> 02:31:10,041
of this and we'll see what happens over

3743
02:31:13,270 --> 02:31:11,961
time you know I think another really

3744
02:31:15,730 --> 02:31:13,280
important point that you made about it

3745
02:31:17,650 --> 02:31:15,740
trying to reach people who didn't even

3746
02:31:20,110 --> 02:31:17,660
normally read a book on UFOs they're

3747
02:31:21,520 --> 02:31:20,120
just not that concerned about it another

3748
02:31:23,770 --> 02:31:21,530
important point in that whole scenario

3749
02:31:26,711 --> 02:31:23,780
is the correct definition of the word

3750
02:31:28,631 --> 02:31:26,721
UFOs because you know I establish right

3751
02:31:31,241 --> 02:31:28,641
at the beginning of the book what does

3752
02:31:33,220 --> 02:31:31,251
what does the word UFO actually mean it

3753
02:31:36,220 --> 02:31:33,230
means an unidentified flying object and

3754
02:31:38,650 --> 02:31:36,230
it's been such a problem in the culture

3755
02:31:41,470 --> 02:31:38,660
and in the communication issues around

3756
02:31:43,301 --> 02:31:41,480
this topic that people define it as an

3757
02:31:45,281 --> 02:31:43,311
alien spacecraft that's what most people

3758
02:31:47,291 --> 02:31:45,291
think a UFO is an extraterrestrial

3759
02:31:49,661 --> 02:31:47,301
spacecraft so then you get the question

3760
02:31:51,400 --> 02:31:49,671
do you believe in UFOs and there's all

3761
02:31:54,371 --> 02:31:51,410
this issues around whether you're a

3762
02:31:57,491 --> 02:31:54,381
believer or not and I think a real job

3763
02:32:00,520 --> 02:31:57,501
that we all have is to try to separate

3764
02:32:01,991 --> 02:32:00,530
the facts from the projections and for

3765
02:32:04,751 --> 02:32:02,001
people to realize that this is not a

3766
02:32:06,881 --> 02:32:04,761
matter of belief nothing in this book is

3767
02:32:10,060 --> 02:32:06,891
about a matter of belief it's about what

3768
02:32:12,041 --> 02:32:10,070
do we actually know actually about this

3769
02:32:14,680 --> 02:32:12,051
phenomenon and what you know what don't

3770
02:32:16,810 --> 02:32:14,690
we know and the root of that is to

3771
02:32:18,871 --> 02:32:16,820
really understand what the word UFO

3772
02:32:21,671 --> 02:32:18,881
means don't you agree that's important

3773
02:32:23,951 --> 02:32:21,681
absolutely in fact I see in the book

3774
02:32:25,810 --> 02:32:23,961
throughout the book that you rely on one

3775
02:32:29,320 --> 02:32:25,820
other terminology as well unidentified

3776
02:32:31,001 --> 02:32:29,330
aerial phenomenon being the the main our

3777
02:32:33,371 --> 02:32:31,011
condemned that's being used throughout

3778
02:32:36,100 --> 02:32:33,381
the book I do think there is a stigma

3779
02:32:38,501 --> 02:32:36,110
attached I think languaging as you

3780
02:32:40,690 --> 02:32:38,511
pointed out eloquently is very very

3781
02:32:43,301 --> 02:32:40,700
crucial and important in this whole

3782
02:32:46,031 --> 02:32:43,311
realm ray Stanford for instance who I

3783
02:32:48,610 --> 02:32:46,041
admire as one of our top analysts in the

3784
02:32:50,680 --> 02:32:48,620
UFO realm in the private sector has come

3785
02:32:54,850 --> 02:32:50,690
up with the term anomalous aerial object

3786
02:32:56,711 --> 02:32:54,860
a oh there are other uh you know ways to

3787
02:33:00,341 --> 02:32:56,721
describe these craft but I think they're

3788
02:33:02,110 --> 02:33:00,351
you're absolutely right the term UFO it

3789
02:33:04,781 --> 02:33:02,120
has a smell to it now and it's tainted

3790
02:33:06,371 --> 02:33:04,791
and it's unfortunate that we haven't

3791
02:33:08,411 --> 02:33:06,381
really language something I think that

3792
02:33:11,081 --> 02:33:08,421
everyone can agree on that that gets us

3793
02:33:13,570 --> 02:33:11,091
beyond the little green man jokes at the

3794
02:33:16,490 --> 02:33:13,580
end of local broadcasts and and the

3795
02:33:19,040 --> 02:33:16,500
automatic off switch that gets clicked

3796
02:33:20,150 --> 02:33:19,050
and normally you know critical thinking

3797
02:33:22,550 --> 02:33:20,160
rational people uh

3798
02:33:24,680 --> 02:33:22,560
this is a problem I think your book is

3799
02:33:26,690 --> 02:33:24,690
going to go a long way to help get

3800
02:33:28,540 --> 02:33:26,700
beyond this stigma that's been attached

3801
02:33:30,770 --> 02:33:28,550
to this I really think that you're doing

3802
02:33:33,860 --> 02:33:30,780
the job that you did on this book was

3803
02:33:36,830 --> 02:33:33,870
was absolutely groundbreaking in some

3804
02:33:39,440 --> 02:33:36,840
sense of the word I and I really do hope

3805
02:33:41,750 --> 02:33:39,450
you and wish rather and hope for all the

3806
02:33:43,580 --> 02:33:41,760
success that this book deserves I think

3807
02:33:45,710 --> 02:33:43,590
gene will agreed we really appreciated

3808
02:33:47,450 --> 02:33:45,720
the opportunity to be one of the first

3809
02:33:50,060 --> 02:33:47,460
to talk about the book with you on the

3810
02:33:51,500 --> 02:33:50,070
air and good luck you're going to get a

3811
02:33:53,360 --> 02:33:51,510
lot of attention with this well I

3812
02:33:55,070 --> 02:33:53,370
appreciate both of your support and your

3813
02:33:57,260 --> 02:33:55,080
comments and your intelligent questions

3814
02:34:00,470 --> 02:33:57,270
and it's been a great not a great time

3815
02:34:02,780 --> 02:34:00,480
talking to you what's your gut feeling I

3816
02:34:04,280 --> 02:34:02,790
mean where do you think just I think you

3817
02:34:06,410 --> 02:34:04,290
know in sort of a general way do you

3818
02:34:08,330 --> 02:34:06,420
think there's any hope for for your

3819
02:34:10,010 --> 02:34:08,340
proposal to go forward or do you think

3820
02:34:11,480 --> 02:34:10,020
do you think the people are so

3821
02:34:13,580 --> 02:34:11,490
entrenched in their thinking that it's

3822
02:34:15,710 --> 02:34:13,590
going to be virtually impossible to get

3823
02:34:19,040 --> 02:34:15,720
this subject opened up to the to a wider

3824
02:34:20,390 --> 02:34:19,050
acceptance well I mean I I definitely do

3825
02:34:22,040 --> 02:34:20,400
think there's hope otherwise I would

3826
02:34:24,470 --> 02:34:22,050
never have you know put all the time and

3827
02:34:26,780 --> 02:34:24,480
energy into this that I put into it so I

3828
02:34:29,750 --> 02:34:26,790
know that there are so many people that

3829
02:34:31,970 --> 02:34:29,760
are so curious about this issue and I

3830
02:34:33,530 --> 02:34:31,980
think that even the status quo when they

3831
02:34:36,920 --> 02:34:33,540
are given the proper kinds of

3832
02:34:38,960 --> 02:34:36,930
information from highly credible people

3833
02:34:41,540 --> 02:34:38,970
and it's not presented in a way that's

3834
02:34:44,210 --> 02:34:41,550
accusing them of a cover-up or you know

3835
02:34:47,090 --> 02:34:44,220
yelling and screaming at them or you

3836
02:34:48,490 --> 02:34:47,100
know making claims that can't be

3837
02:34:51,860 --> 02:34:48,500
verified and all of that

3838
02:34:53,930 --> 02:34:51,870
I just I'm very hopeful and I know you

3839
02:34:55,580 --> 02:34:53,940
know we already have some here we have

3840
02:34:59,870 --> 02:34:55,590
John Podesta and there are others like

3841
02:35:01,610 --> 02:34:59,880
him that ours out there they just don't

3842
02:35:04,010 --> 02:35:01,620
speak about it they haven't really had

3843
02:35:05,870 --> 02:35:04,020
anything that's that they can hang their

3844
02:35:08,900 --> 02:35:05,880
hat on in a certain way or anything

3845
02:35:10,640 --> 02:35:08,910
concrete and we need we need that we

3846
02:35:12,860 --> 02:35:10,650
need a focal point and I think that

3847
02:35:14,900 --> 02:35:12,870
focal point is what discover minh taejun

3848
02:35:16,610 --> 02:35:14,910
see is going to be when it's created so

3849
02:35:19,310 --> 02:35:16,620
I have a tremendous amount of hope

3850
02:35:20,870 --> 02:35:19,320
actually and if I didn't I think I'd be

3851
02:35:22,670 --> 02:35:20,880
in trouble because that's what has to

3852
02:35:24,530 --> 02:35:22,680
carry that's what I have to rely on to

3853
02:35:26,630 --> 02:35:24,540
carry this forward I'm in a belief in

3854
02:35:29,360 --> 02:35:26,640
what I'm doing you know an enthusiasm

3855
02:35:33,470 --> 02:35:29,370
for it I believe that this is an extreme

3856
02:35:35,750 --> 02:35:33,480
the important issue and I've been I'm

3857
02:35:37,880 --> 02:35:35,760
not going to let it go and I'm going to

3858
02:35:41,690 --> 02:35:37,890
do everything I can to implement the

3859
02:35:43,360 --> 02:35:41,700
books intent and I believe that there's

3860
02:35:45,740 --> 02:35:43,370
enough of a chance that it could happen

3861
02:35:47,750 --> 02:35:45,750
that I'm willing to put all my energy

3862
02:35:51,470 --> 02:35:47,760
into doing what I can to make it happen

3863
02:35:53,450 --> 02:35:51,480
the book is called UFOs and the subtitle

3864
02:35:56,690 --> 02:35:53,460
is generals pilots and government

3865
02:35:58,700 --> 02:35:56,700
officials go on the record and the

3866
02:36:02,240 --> 02:35:58,710
author is Leslie Kane she also has this

3867
02:36:05,120 --> 02:36:02,250
new site UFOs on the record calm UFOs on

3868
02:36:06,220 --> 02:36:05,130
the record comma what that is as a site

3869
02:36:08,810 --> 02:36:06,230
where she'll have more information

3870
02:36:11,030 --> 02:36:08,820
follow-ups blogs and stuff like that as

3871
02:36:13,341 --> 02:36:11,040
she progresses and continues with her

3872
02:36:15,801 --> 02:36:13,351
researches and efforts to set this

3873
02:36:17,450 --> 02:36:15,811
agency Chris O'Brien tell our listeners

3874
02:36:19,820 --> 02:36:17,460
where they can find more of the things

3875
02:36:22,610 --> 02:36:19,830
that you write about I do have a website

3876
02:36:25,670 --> 02:36:22,620
Jean it's called our strange planet oh

3877
02:36:26,150 --> 02:36:25,680
you are strange planet it is a strange

3878
02:36:31,700 --> 02:36:26,160
planet

3879
02:36:33,710 --> 02:36:31,710
entire database is there for my many

3880
02:36:35,960 --> 02:36:33,720
years in the sanhui Valley investigating

3881
02:36:38,030 --> 02:36:35,970
things that go bump in the night so I

3882
02:36:39,680 --> 02:36:38,040
urge everybody to go there and have a

3883
02:36:41,240 --> 02:36:39,690
visit my database is available for

3884
02:36:41,690 --> 02:36:41,250
anyone who's interested enough to look

3885
02:36:44,870 --> 02:36:41,700
at it

3886
02:36:46,940 --> 02:36:44,880
thank you very much Leslie Kane Chris

3887
02:36:50,240 --> 02:36:46,950
O'Brien thank you both for joining us

3888
02:36:50,990 --> 02:36:50,250
this week on the power cast thank you

3889
02:36:52,850 --> 02:36:51,000
for having me

3890
02:36:53,660 --> 02:36:52,860
yeah thanks for being on in Thank You

3891
02:36:56,220 --> 02:36:53,670
Jean

3892
02:36:58,451 --> 02:36:56,230
[Music]

3893
02:37:00,041 --> 02:36:58,461
the pair test is a calibrated

3894
02:37:02,890 --> 02:37:00,051
presentation of making the impossible